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10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Re: 10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Post by hendersoon »

tgb wrote: post #117
rhplus wrote: post #58

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State of the art for dictation was probably Dragon Dictate / Naturally Speaking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_NaturallySpeaking Windows had an API for basic command recognition, in late 90's giving the ability to navigate through telephony menus, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Speech_API#SAPI_1-4_...

Oh yeah, very practical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ0CytAsec

It was completely usable at the time, but did require a relatively beefy PC. Doctors and attorneys very commonly used it to dictate letters.

Re: 10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Post by qball »

pmoriarty wrote: post #158
qball wrote: post #102

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>6yo CPU/mobo still does not feel in any way slow or in need of upgrade The limiting factors have changed- or rather, the limiting computers have changed. Throwing more client horsepower or internet speed at the problem can't solve the fact that the server (and to a limited extent, an internet connection) has to deliver both a huge amount of JavaScript and the (typically image/video/audio-heavy) content itself. The c…

"it might be the first time in history where computers (since 2008 or so) are replaced because the hardware failed and not because they were insufficiently fast." You're forgetting two things: 1 - Games 2 - VR Games especially have a very long history of having a bottomless appetite for more and more powerful hardware every year as they push the limits of what's possible. VR is dramatically upping hardware requiremen…

>Games especially have a very long history of having a bottomless appetite for more and more powerful hardware every year as they push the limits of what's possible.

Sure, though the CPU has less to do with that. For reference, most modern games still perform just fine on first-gen i7s and second-gen i5s; the most recent of those was released 6 years ago. GPUs are a replaceable part where CPUs are not.

At least GPU technology is still advancing in big ways, though I think that's more a property of how they're built, what their functions are, and (especially for higher-end cards) what kind of power budget users are willing to accept. It's unusual for the newest mid-range card not to match the previous high-end card.

Intel, on the other hand, has never released a CPU with TDP over 150W (AMD had a couple at 220W), even though most in the overclocking community know that 5GHz is regularly attainable on modern CPUs. But that that's been mostly true since 2013.

Re: 10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Post by hengheng »

amingilani wrote: post #146
krylon wrote: post #109

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On Android, it has worked well for me for simple things (e.g. "Remind me to take my laundry off the hanger tomorrow at 15:00"). Have not tried anything fancy, though. A coworker once told his smartphone, "Tell me a dirty joke". It kind of worked, it opened a web search for "dirty joke". Cortana really impressed me by actually telling a joke; it was about dirty laundry (but I suspect that was intentional to avoid offe…

I use it obsessively. Currency conversions, fact checking, basic maths, "what's the tip for $20", sending texts, sending WhatsApp messages, making phone calls, "flip a coin", "wake me up at 7", setting timers, "Add to calendar".... It works wonderfully well. I use it obsessively to the point that people now joke that if you ask me a question I'll simply ask Google about it.

How did you find out what you could tell it? After the first ten useless Google searches that popped up, I was looking for a vocab list. And then I gave up.

Re: 10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Post by [deleted] »

amingilani wrote: post #146
krylon wrote: post #109

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On Android, it has worked well for me for simple things (e.g. "Remind me to take my laundry off the hanger tomorrow at 15:00"). Have not tried anything fancy, though. A coworker once told his smartphone, "Tell me a dirty joke". It kind of worked, it opened a web search for "dirty joke". Cortana really impressed me by actually telling a joke; it was about dirty laundry (but I suspect that was intentional to avoid offe…

I use it obsessively. Currency conversions, fact checking, basic maths, "what's the tip for $20", sending texts, sending WhatsApp messages, making phone calls, "flip a coin", "wake me up at 7", setting timers, "Add to calendar".... It works wonderfully well. I use it obsessively to the point that people now joke that if you ask me a question I'll simply ask Google about it.

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Re: 10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Post by ralfd »

tuxracer wrote: post #40
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #35

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Example 1, if we're referring to the likes of Siri and Alexa isn't thanks to improvements in personal computer technology - said platforms send your speech recording off to a massive datacenter for processing, no need for 10Ghz processors there. Example 2 requires the use of depth-sensing and heat-sensitive cameras to avoid trivial "show a photo of an authorized user" attacks - that's not really CPU-dependent either.

Android has had face unlock built in for some time. A naive way it mitigates the "unlock with photo" vulnerability is an option requiring you to blink. Not as robust as 3d, heat sensitive cameras but it's at least not a trivial as showing a photo to beat it. The impressive amount of processing power available on many smartphones today certainly contributes to this being a practical unlock method.

Is face unlock fooled by video of a person blinking?

Re: 10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Post by amingilani »

hengheng wrote: post #173
amingilani wrote: post #146

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I use it obsessively. Currency conversions, fact checking, basic maths, "what's the tip for $20", sending texts, sending WhatsApp messages, making phone calls, "flip a coin", "wake me up at 7", setting timers, "Add to calendar".... It works wonderfully well. I use it obsessively to the point that people now joke that if you ask me a question I'll simply ask Google about it.

How did you find out what you could tell it? After the first ten useless Google searches that popped up, I was looking for a vocab list. And then I gave up.

Honestly, I think i've built an instinct on what works and what doesn't. Simple statements do work, as do some simple questions. It's a bit of trial and error but if it's a simple fact check, it's most likely you can phrase the question in a manner that gets you an answer.

E.g. I randomly tried: What do I do when I burn my finger? and it answered. Same for: How do I get ink stains out of my shirt?

Re: 10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Post by flukus »

hendersoon wrote: post #171
tgb wrote: post #117

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Oh yeah, very practical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ0CytAsec

It was completely usable at the time, but did require a relatively beefy PC. Doctors and attorneys very commonly used it to dictate letters.

And for context "beefy PC" here means less CPU power and RAM than the cheapest smart phone today.

Re: 10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Post by rphlx »

brandmeyer wrote: post #130
amelius wrote: post #105

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> Although the transistors can technically run at 9 GHz, the resulting power density is very difficult to cool. But nowadays we have processors with multiple cores, where sometimes you need only 1 core (and it needs to be fast). So would it be an idea to increase clock frequency for those cores, but multiplex them quickly to allow them to cool?

While the clock speed has largely stagnated, the actual work done per cycle, even on just one core, has gone up significantly. Consider: A double-precision fused multiply-add consumes only 4 cycles of result latency today. The number of memory operations (and other instructions) in flight at any given moment has gone up dramatically, the number of execution units has gone up a little bit (so that the maximum instruct…

I would argue that we pretty much reached peak single-core x86_64 scalar instruction stream concurrency ~6 years ago with Sandy Bridge. SIMD has gotten wider since then (AVX2, etc) and there are occasional new instructions for certain workloads (including FMA as you noted), but general purpose scalar (non-SIMD) workloads have not gotten much of an IPC boost. Actually, to the extent that those workloads have gotten faster, it's been mostly from the return of clock frequency scaling - from low 3GHz to low 4GHz on the desktop SKUs.

Re: 10GHz at under 1V by 2005 - The future of Intel’s manufacturing processes [2000]

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Post by ksec »

We may have to move beyond Silicon to get 10Ghz.

For General Purpose IPC Single threaded performance, we basically had little to no improvement since Sandy Bridge apart from Clock Speed. SSD / IO Speed helped to fill the performance improvement gap in the past 4 - 5 years.

Now we are waiting for the next big improvement to come. If there are any.

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