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Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hopefully at that point they can migrate from the US to the Republic of California http://www.yescalifornia.org/
I live in SF and hate how glibly techies talk about secession. It may be because I grew up in the south and it's part of our history but techies seem to forget that the bloodiest US conflict in history was to prevent this very thing. To even entertain the idea that secession would not result in a mass amounts of destruction death exemplifies the Bay area bubble mentality.
Eh, it's a fun thing to think about, especially knowing it will never happen. Texas fantasizes about it all the time. Every few months there's some kind of map being posted here about how to split the US into different countries or re-draw the state borders or some other fantasy map. It's just a fun daydream.
I live in Michigan and several times we've had people from the Upper Peninsula try to get support for them to create a new state, ignoring the fact that they would be creating one of the poorest, most uneducated, and most unpopulated states, and it'd never be allowed.
It's a symbolic gesture to say "I don't agree with X policy". the UP of Michigan does it to protest Lansing tax policies, Texas does it to protest liberal federal policies, California does it to protest right-wing federal policies. And everyone knows full well it won't go any farther than a protest.
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#173A company I work for remotely would love to bring me over and pay me at the market rate.
However, that's practically impossible due to current immigration process and H1-B scheming, caps, paperwork, expense and what-not.
It's much easier to get a similar job in EU country, if you have required (IT) skills. Ironically, EU is the forefront of the current migration and refugee scare.
So this could be a good thing at the end.
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#174I'm all for reform but an executive order? Something on this scale needs to go through Congress first.
Maybe he is trying to beat the current executive order record holder? Trump did just kick him out of the Whitehouse.
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#176I love HN. Trump hating on Iranians and Mexicans. HN: "I hate Trump, he's so mean to immigrants. And avocado prices will go up! ::angry face:: Trump hating on Indians who took our jobs! HN: "Protectionism for me too? ::swoons::"
Not necessarily the same people commenting on the first and the second. That's the issue with "The Reddit/HN/Gawker/*chan/Twitter's community is toxic".
This is a classic logical fallacy I see too often. It's like mentally creating a Venn diagram of "People who said a" and "People who said b" and then just assuming that the two circles basically entirely overlap - without any basis.
I feel like it's somehow a variation on a straw man argument, but I can't work out if that's a good enough analog. Would be interested to know if anyone knows of a more formal name for it.
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#177I'm all for reform but an executive order? Something on this scale needs to go through Congress first.
Maybe he is trying to beat the current executive order record holder? Trump did just kick him out of the Whitehouse.
Really?
Obama way way down on the list.
Try again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_...
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
But it is not equivalent. Hiring local has many beneficial effects over outsourcing - increased labour demand increases wages, the local pool of talent and technology is developed, and the money you spend will in turn mostly be spent in your own economy, growing it and paying taxes to your government. You could argue that these secondary effects do not outweigh the higher cost, and I'm sure sometimes that would be tr…
We are discussing hiring local workers, not outsourcing. The local workers just happen to be brown and born in a different place. The money will still be spent in your own economy. The choices are threefold: My preferred scheme (1): Low income taxpayers keep $30k and spend it themselves. Government pays for $70k from lowest bidding software engineer (possibly an Indian). Fergie's preferred scheme (2): Low income taxp…
> In both cases, money is transferred from taxpayers to high income colocated workers who will presumably spend it in the economy.
Also, you're ignoring the national security implications of the thing. We cannot afford to be dependent on a foreign country for high tech skills. That's one reason why protectionism makes sense. As a country, we're willing to pay extra for certain basic manufacturing/services to stay in the county, such as aerospace repair and steel manufacturing, in case we ever become hostile with some other country.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
IT services aren't STEM. The wage collusion scandal happened at a time where yearly H-1B quotas were typically not met! (Edit: I'm wrong, they were met, but much more slowly than they are today, no lottery needed back then). Today there's roughly 4 times more applications than visas delivered through the lottery, and the wages in tech have never been so high. If you get screwed by your employer within the framework o…
Would that not demonstrate the point then? You're saying wages aren't stagnant anymore, occurring at a time when the demand for workers has finally outstripped supply because not enough visas are issued. So don't blame it on immigration now, fine. But if issuances of visas increase then you're back in the Displacement of indigenous workers is also a major issue. By the way, I wasn't trying to "blame it on immigration…
I think it demonstrates there's hardly any correlation between STEM wages and H-1B abuse.
I'm all for fewer visas delivered to IT consulting firms, but I don't see not much of an intersection between this issue and stagnating wages in the tech industry. A reform of the H-1 would be nice but it should try to give a chance to small startups as well, not just hand over visas to the handful of companies that pay engineers over $250k. The current lottery is silly but at least it's unfair to everyone equally :)
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#180I'm all for reform but an executive order? Something on this scale needs to go through Congress first.
This is, I'm afraid, going to be a hallmark of the Trump presidency.
We're dealing with someone who is used to being "The Boss".
Someone pointed out to me that he as a Congress that has shown that it will be pliant and enabling (for better or worse), and that Executive Orders are not necessary.
But to Trump, they are, in a different way. We are dealing with someone for whom, having to have his decisions "signed off on" is an anathema. He's used to making decrees in his business life and having people say "Yes Sir. Jump? How high?". Not "I'm bringing a proposal to you. Debate, discuss and, if you like, vote for it."
I think he'll struggle with this, and I think while still early days, we're seeing real examples of this.