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Paper is the real 'killer app'

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Re: Paper is the real 'killer app'

#171

Might be a bit off-topic, but here it goes. This article gave me reassurance how I resisted using e-readers and stuck to the notion of using an actual book. Waste of paper? Yes. But then we are wasting papers in many other ways as well (another debate). Plus books hardly get recycled and they often get passed on (used bookstores). Also, my another issue with Kindle-esque books or even buying paperbacks from Amazon is…

I love physical books; my wife and I have a library of well over 1000 volumes - certainly not the largest collection, but large enough. Most of it is fiction, but we also have a lot of non-fiction as well.

Even so - I like an e-reader for certain uses. The best use that I've found is for technical documents. Not books, per se, but documentation like electronic component datasheets and the like are much more convenient to access on an e-reader, especially when you're in the middle of a project. Before, one would have to spend a lot of money to get the datasheets in book form from the manufacturer, and then find a place to store the behemoths (some were as thick as phone books, and multi-volume - especially components and such from places like Motorola, ST, and others with extensive component lines). Not only that, each year (or more often) you'd have to get the new versions for the year, and the various errata pages (filed somewhere). Then to search thru all of that...

...today, I can download and read these documents online or offline with a reader, store them locally, search them fairly easily, etc. All on a small and easy to use electronic device.

Re: Paper is the real 'killer app'

#172

Might be a bit off-topic, but here it goes. This article gave me reassurance how I resisted using e-readers and stuck to the notion of using an actual book. Waste of paper? Yes. But then we are wasting papers in many other ways as well (another debate). Plus books hardly get recycled and they often get passed on (used bookstores). Also, my another issue with Kindle-esque books or even buying paperbacks from Amazon is…

As someone who grew up on paper books, but at one time bought an e-reader, my 2 cents: Ereaders will likely never be as good as the best paper books. However , they can be better than many printed books. I've owned printed books with poor bindings, poor typesettings, poor quality paper. The ereader was definitely better than those. On the whole spectrum of quality of published (paper) books, I would rank my ereader t…

> On the whole spectrum of quality of published (paper) books

Well, not until someone proposes a 10-11" e-reader that doesn't cost half my salary.

The biggest disappointment with my e-reader is that reading PDFs is awful on that ridiculous display.

We might have nice, readable fonts and pictures, with zoom too, and instead...

Re: Paper is the real 'killer app'

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post #171

Might be a bit off-topic, but here it goes. This article gave me reassurance how I resisted using e-readers and stuck to the notion of using an actual book. Waste of paper? Yes. But then we are wasting papers in many other ways as well (another debate). Plus books hardly get recycled and they often get passed on (used bookstores). Also, my another issue with Kindle-esque books or even buying paperbacks from Amazon is…

I love physical books; my wife and I have a library of well over 1000 volumes - certainly not the largest collection, but large enough. Most of it is fiction, but we also have a lot of non-fiction as well. Even so - I like an e-reader for certain uses. The best use that I've found is for technical documents. Not books, per se, but documentation like electronic component datasheets and the like are much more convenien…

We have books too. I don't love them (smelly, dusty, heavy) but I have never gotten into an e-reader. So much friction to use - fiddly menus, losing my place, even changing pages or trying to go back and find a passage I read before - all tedious.

So we have a collection. Every bookcase in the house two-deep and books stacked on top of books. When the boys grew up and our church asked for kids books in English for a Romanian school, we donated 1000 books to the effort. Still have a bookcase full of kids books (for the grandkids someday, sigh).

The small electronic device is certainly a selling-point. If they don't expire (go out of business) or get lost changing to the latest gee-whiz gadget, it would be nice to have them all in one place.

Re: Paper is the real 'killer app'

#176

I use an erasable notebook [1] for my scribbling. I find it quite good for sketching a quick diagram /prototyping, short-term todos, mindmapping and brainstorming. I don't think it's good for long term journaling (a proper notebook would be better). Having an erasable pen solves my problem of making tons of stupid spelling mistakes, being guilty of wasting paper and losing them in a giant pile of worthless annotation…

Fascinating, I might have to get one. Do these smear when you close the book? Does it have a similar feel and aesthetic to paper?

Smear : you really have to put a lot of ink and immediately close the book to have some. In practice I have none.

Look and feel : The texture and feel is quite different from paper. It's basically paper laminated with some sort of plastic. It depends on the pen you're using[1]. If you're using a medium pen, it feels a lot like a whiteboard (gliding feeling) . With a fine pen, it's a little bit more scratchy.

[1] they are all using Staedtler Lumacolor correctable 305 pens. I wonder if there's an expired patent or if it's just a happy coincidence

Re: Paper is the real 'killer app'

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post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who grew up on paper books, but at one time bought an e-reader, my 2 cents: Ereaders will likely never be as good as the best paper books. However , they can be better than many printed books. I've owned printed books with poor bindings, poor typesettings, poor quality paper. The ereader was definitely better than those. On the whole spectrum of quality of published (paper) books, I would rank my ereader t…

> On the whole spectrum of quality of published (paper) books Well, not until someone proposes a 10-11" e-reader that doesn't cost half my salary. The biggest disappointment with my e-reader is that reading PDFs is awful on that ridiculous display. We might have nice, readable fonts and pictures, with zoom too, and instead...

If you're like me, you've spent many times that on books. E-readers often have books at a discount or even free. So its a value proposition: how many e-books over what time make it a bargain?

Re: Paper is the real 'killer app'

#178
I can't use paper since my wrist injury. Writing now get's sudden jolting punctuation of pain, depending on the motion.

Typing on the other hand is painless for me. So now I use a combination of Dropbox Paper, OneNote (in office) and plaintext. And like others have said, Ctrl+F is gold!

Re: Paper is the real 'killer app'

#179
There definitely is an appeal to the analog and the idea of slowing down to be more creative and productive.

Photography is a hobby of mine. I own a Nikon D500, which is one of Nikon's flagship professional DSLR cameras. It can shoot at 10 frames per second with a buffer of 200 shots. The storage cards hold thousands of images. All of this is great when you're shooting high-speed action where every shot in a short time frame counts, but it also means there's very little risk in each shot. So if you take 900 pictures and only 9 are keepers it's no big deal. I shoot in RAW mode so any type of color and lighting adjustments can be made in post, and the resolution's high enough that I can crop for a good composition after the fact.

But recently I've decided to get into plain old fashioned 35mm film photography. The equipment is all still relatively inexpensive, but the film costs $5-10 per roll of 24 or 36 exposures. Then you either have to send the film out to be developed, which can take days or weeks (since there are very few places that do it in house anymore), or you can develop it yourself (as I have started to do) which involves an hour long process mixing chemicals, making sure everything's the right temperature, shaking and stirring, drying and cutting, then finally scanning the processed film. Each shot has more risk, and so you take more time and compose more carefully, which makes the end result that much better. I've found it to be incredibly enjoyable and rewarding.

Re: Paper is the real 'killer app'

#180

I use an erasable notebook [1] for my scribbling. I find it quite good for sketching a quick diagram /prototyping, short-term todos, mindmapping and brainstorming. I don't think it's good for long term journaling (a proper notebook would be better). Having an erasable pen solves my problem of making tons of stupid spelling mistakes, being guilty of wasting paper and losing them in a giant pile of worthless annotation…

Do you happen to know if either of these are in a retail store such as Staples (would like to check it out in person, seems awesome).
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