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Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by wil421 »

yurymik wrote: post #149
chrisabrams wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve and the unified vision is gone. While on winter holidays my fiance pointed out to me: - She just got a new Macbook Pro from her new job, which has only USB C ports - She just got a new iPhone 7 from her new job, which is only a Lightning port She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. EDIT: a Lightning to USB C cable does exist now. That is still equivalent to a dongle in my opinio…

> She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. Is it still a valid point once USB-C to Lightning Cable is out? http://www.apple.com/us/shop/product/MK0X2AM/A/usb-c-to-ligh...

The point is people don't want to carry a bag of dongles with them everyday.

Especially the Pro model consumers. It's fine for reduced ports on an Air or MacBook, you're going to make sacrifices for portability. For a flagship laptop consumers expect options.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by sfilargi »

pducks32 wrote: post #91
mark_l_watson wrote: post #46

Apple's share price for the last year is up by about 10%, despite problems with disatisfation over MacBook Pro, no earphone jack, etc. Personally, the only thing I am really disappointed with is slow progress on web services. I was considering moving on from Apple myself, but decided that I like their hardware and my workflow is good on macOS and iOS (on a iPad Pro). I just bought a MacBook and when my Android phone…

Everyone I talk to in person loves their new MacBook Pro. They say it's their favorite MacBook ever.

How are they dealing with the absence of the 'Esc' key? Is it annoying to have the soft key or hardly noticeable?

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by chrisabrams »

no_gravity wrote: post #167
chrisabrams wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve and the unified vision is gone. While on winter holidays my fiance pointed out to me: - She just got a new Macbook Pro from her new job, which has only USB C ports - She just got a new iPhone 7 from her new job, which is only a Lightning port She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. EDIT: a Lightning to USB C cable does exist now. That is still equivalent to a dongle in my opinio…

Is there no Lightning to USB C cable?

As per previous comments, _very_ recently one came out. It was not out with the initial rollout of the devices.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by jsmith0295 »

mtw wrote: post #119
chrisabrams wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve and the unified vision is gone. While on winter holidays my fiance pointed out to me: - She just got a new Macbook Pro from her new job, which has only USB C ports - She just got a new iPhone 7 from her new job, which is only a Lightning port She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. EDIT: a Lightning to USB C cable does exist now. That is still equivalent to a dongle in my opinio…

Unified vision was nice. What interested me first in the Apple ecosystem was its use by high-end pros. Photographers, creatives, filmmakers. Then they announced MacOS X, built upon NeXT/BSD, and the mac pro products. Now Microsoft has dedicated products for high-end creatives (Surface studio won't sell but still shows interest in pros), Linux Bash shell in windows 10. Meanwhile Apple wants pros to use a 9" tablet ins…

Surface Studio is actually selling at 2x what Microsoft anticipated it selling for, so it seems to be a bigger market than one would think.

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Post by artimaeis »

tinus_hn wrote: post #136
artimaeis wrote: post #118

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> "HomeKit doesn't require a proprietary Apple chip, I have no idea where you got that idea." A few sources disagree: http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-homekit-devices-wont-include-go... > "Apple’s MFi guidelines require manufacturers to use only Wi-Fi or Bluetooth, and also include a specialized chip for authentication" http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/everything-that-works-with... > "The certification ensures that thes…

The Homebridge project provides HomeKit compatibility without Apple authorization. I don't know if Apple controls this using patents or trademarks but you don't technically need Apples authorization.

From what I can tell from Homebridge they provide HomeKit emulation - not compatibility. You're running a local Node server to emulate the Homekit API.

Still neat - but hardly the sort of thing that implies you can ship a product utilizing Homekit without following the MFi spec.

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Post by karyon »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #158
karyon wrote: post #138

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This sounds a bit like "my income is normal, and everyone above that is rich"-thinking that a lot of people have.(if there's a word for that i'd appreciate any hints :) ) i'd definitely consider engineers at google to be rich and don't see how another 200k makes that much of a difference. you think these execs are rich and don't see how another million makes a difference. and the execs consider billionaires to be ric…

This is a good point. Everyone brings an idea of what "rich" means with them to the table. My experience of being an engineer in the Bay Area, with three kids and a wife, has been that much of my annual salary has been consumed in costs which I felt I "had" to pay (mortgage, power, food, pre-school or school, clothes, saving for the future (401k)). And while I recognize that from an annual salary, property ownership,…

but what about maybe another yacht? some island? that limited edition lamborghini? oh you could collect art. use your bonus to get more of that. i think this "if i had this specific amount of money, then i'd have everything i could possibly desire" is unlikely to be true, you'll find more things to spend your money on.

another thought: you could donate all of it. the perfect money sink. it actually helps, and more of it helps better. so with an altruistic mind you can get motivated with that no matter on which salary level :)

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by chrisabrams »

atarian wrote: post #113
chrisabrams wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve and the unified vision is gone. While on winter holidays my fiance pointed out to me: - She just got a new Macbook Pro from her new job, which has only USB C ports - She just got a new iPhone 7 from her new job, which is only a Lightning port She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. EDIT: a Lightning to USB C cable does exist now. That is still equivalent to a dongle in my opinio…

>the unified vision is gone. I disagree, their unified vision is a wireless one. But you could say they rushed it at the expense of the consumer.

That's why the very first thing I mention is Steve.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by ChuckMcM »

roymurdock wrote: post #142
ChuckMcM wrote: post #90

Like others I don't shed a lot of tears when an exec makes only 89% of their multi-million dollar target bonus :-) I asked an exec at Oracle once about how it was even motivating. For much of my career I've had some sort of bonus associated with my salary, at Sun, NetApp, Google all had bonus programs (with different tweaks). And for an engineer it could be a huge thing. At Google with all the multipliers in place yo…

Since it is impossible to give a precise estimate of each manager's contribution to the firm's output, it is inevitable that this process yields decisions that are largely arbitrary and dependent on hierarchical relationships and on the relative bargaining power of the individuals involved. It is only reasonable to assume that people in a position to set their own salaries have a natural incentive to treat themselves…

I largely disagree with Piketty in this case. There are metrics which are available to management which provide the specific insights needed to drive compensation to the most appropriate individuals. I do not disagree that there management systems which ignore those metrics and base their compensation on relationships.

I agree with the basic thesis that as the productivity of workers (as measured by $ generated per worker hour of labor) has gone up tremendously in the silicon age, and that the fruits of that gain have been disproportionately allocated to management. But as the root of that gain has been the transition for goods economies to information economies, and information economies are particularly susceptible to price correction through antagonistic action[1] Given the challenges of creating barriers to entry, the information economics will (in my opinion of course) eventually force capital to the creators away from management.

[1] In the goods economy if the price of a car is too high you substitute other goods (like bikes or motorcycles) but in an information economy if your price is too high people simply pirate the content and take the capital out by force. cite: Netflix vs Napster vs MPAA.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by paulddraper »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #90

Like others I don't shed a lot of tears when an exec makes only 89% of their multi-million dollar target bonus :-) I asked an exec at Oracle once about how it was even motivating. For much of my career I've had some sort of bonus associated with my salary, at Sun, NetApp, Google all had bonus programs (with different tweaks). And for an engineer it could be a huge thing. At Google with all the multipliers in place yo…

> Sure its a huge number that you didn't get an extra three million dollars but what can you do differently with $8M that you can't do with $5M?

You can do a heck of a lot more with $3m than $13k.

I know you're thinking proportionally, but that's not necessarily correct.

And you can always find things you really need the money for. Want a mega-yacht? Better start saving, because $13M ain't gonna cut it.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by dagw »

qyv wrote: post #122
mtw wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unified vision was nice. What interested me first in the Apple ecosystem was its use by high-end pros. Photographers, creatives, filmmakers. Then they announced MacOS X, built upon NeXT/BSD, and the mac pro products. Now Microsoft has dedicated products for high-end creatives (Surface studio won't sell but still shows interest in pros), Linux Bash shell in windows 10. Meanwhile Apple wants pros to use a 9" tablet ins…

If 2017 turns out to be the year the VR starts to hit the main stream, which it could be, it will be interesting to see what Apple's response will be.

VR in 2017 will be 90+% about gaming, and Apple has never really cared about gaming. I doubt they'll start caring now all of a sudden.
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