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Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Has anyone installed Linux on this machine? If so, how has your experience been with respect to driver support, etc.? Thanks in advance.

I've got a 2016 model and things work pretty well with Ubuntu 16.10. Only gripe I have is bluetooth audio isn't working out-of-the-box.

What about inexpensive USB plug-in Bluetooth adapters?

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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When we got accepted into YCombinator back in 2011 (Mailgun), I remember PG looking at our Thinkpads running Linux and asking something along the lines of "what's wrong with you?" , with almost [1] all YC teams using Macbooks. I wonder if it's the Valley culture? There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad [2] for programmer productivity: the keyboard, the UltraNav, the swappable batteries (you can f…

A lot of developers love their Macs and I don't get it. For me OSX 10.6 was the last decent one. Mission Control is garbage compared to Expose. I got so frustrated with it that I started running Linux in a VM on my Mac as my primary system. I also got into tiling window managers, which killed every going back to Mac/Windows. Today's Dell and Lenovo laptops are good Linux dev machines. I've never had a problem with pu…

Decent machines indeed as long as you are close to a wall socket. Linux power management has a lot of growing up to do.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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post #16

Has anyone installed Linux on this machine? If so, how has your experience been with respect to driver support, etc.? Thanks in advance.

I just got a 4th gen X1 and installed Ubuntu 16.10 on it. Everything's been great so far. Wifi has been working fine. The only weirdness I've noticed is a few background chrome tab crashes. Perhaps something with the gpu?

I had to make one change in the bios, to disable secure boot so Ubuntu could use certain drivers.

I've read that the fingerprint sensor on the newer X1's doesn't have linux support yet, and I've never tried the wwan stuff. That might not work either. I haven't tried bluetooth yet.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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> They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy The Carbon X1 is made from carbon fiber. It super-robust and light-weight at the same time. It feels light years ahead of the super-heavy aluminium-nonsense Apple is trying to peddle. Count me happy my laptop doesn't double as a bench-press.

> Count me happy my laptop doesn't double as a bench-press. ThinkPad X1 Carbon: Starting at 2.6 lbs (1209 g) MacBook Pro 13: Weight: 3.02 pounds (1.37 kg)

I think the more important part is where OP implied anything not made of metal was deemed unreliable.

I think that's a pretty stone-age point of view given modern material technology.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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I want to be excited by a good non-Apple laptop. But they're all just so terribly designed. They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy, have grills and screw holes and uneven surfaces and stickers everywhere. I had a T530 for a few years at my first job and just hated it. It had fantastic specs but it felt awful and unreliable and like I had to babysit it. I got a 2015 MBP to replace it after IT damag…

> They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy The Carbon X1 is made from carbon fiber. It super-robust and light-weight at the same time. It feels light years ahead of the super-heavy aluminium-nonsense Apple is trying to peddle. Count me happy my laptop doesn't double as a bench-press.

I don't like the aluminum bodies (as a matter of taste, I think they are ugly). But carbon fiber isn't functional. I've had a carbon-fiber-body laptop for ~3 years now. In that time, I've had to replace the fan twice. My bet is the flexible carbon fiber allows more bending than the electronics can actually handle. The flexibility also makes it feel cheap; why would i want a laptop that gives in when I type?

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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I want to be excited by a good non-Apple laptop. But they're all just so terribly designed. They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy, have grills and screw holes and uneven surfaces and stickers everywhere. I had a T530 for a few years at my first job and just hated it. It had fantastic specs but it felt awful and unreliable and like I had to babysit it. I got a 2015 MBP to replace it after IT damag…

Comparing a Macbook and a Lenovo is like saying "My BMW is better than the Ford F-350 Superduty". Want to have style and best design? Take a Macbook. Want to have lots of Ports? Thinkpad. Need Milspec? Thinkpad. Want to have 17 hours battery life and then swap them without shutting down? Thinkpad (ok, not the carbon). Want to have 3G/LTE, smartcards or Cardreader? Thinkpad. Want to be able to repair yourself? Thinkpad. Does not always look fancy, but is just the SUV-way of computing. I, at least, love my x240 like no Laptop before.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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When we got accepted into YCombinator back in 2011 (Mailgun), I remember PG looking at our Thinkpads running Linux and asking something along the lines of "what's wrong with you?" , with almost [1] all YC teams using Macbooks. I wonder if it's the Valley culture? There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad [2] for programmer productivity: the keyboard, the UltraNav, the swappable batteries (you can f…

A lot of developers love their Macs and I don't get it. For me OSX 10.6 was the last decent one. Mission Control is garbage compared to Expose. I got so frustrated with it that I started running Linux in a VM on my Mac as my primary system. I also got into tiling window managers, which killed every going back to Mac/Windows. Today's Dell and Lenovo laptops are good Linux dev machines. I've never had a problem with pu…

I don't mind Mission Control too much, I've got a hotspot set in the top left which triggers it, it means I've got shared muscle memory between OSX and Gnome 3 on my other machines.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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As someone who is considering moving from a MacBook Pro 2015 to a Linux laptop, the keyboard and, in particular, the trackpad on PC models are the biggest disappointments. Apple has spent so much effort on the tactility of their laptops, while PC manufacturers still seem to be stuck in an earlier decade. I was a little bit shocked to discover that Thinkpads still have that terrible little mouse nipple, which I hadn't…

Counterpoint: I still use only Thinkpads because they have TrackPoint. For those of us who prefer it, it is vastly superior to trackpads.

Completely agreed. I disable my trackpad and use the nipple exclusively. (And am stuck with thinkpads because of that preference. But I like my new X1 so I'm not too sad about that.)

As for the keyboard, my favorite was the "old thinkpad" keyboard (X220 generation), but I have to admit the new thinkpad keyboard is better than I expected. Travel and resistance are very comfortable. Compared the "new macbook" keyboard with tiny travel and those useless up/down keys, it's vastly better.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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I absolutely adore my ThinkPad X201, if there was any way to purchase a pristine new-in-box X201 I would. However, I recently picked up a 3rd gen x1 carbon and absolutely love it compared to my rMBP '15. Sure, it's not quite as fast and the screen isn't quite as good, but I can run a true tiling window manager (not the garbage that is KWM on OSX) and have a unfettered dev platform.

I run Fedora, I like it more than Ubuntu or Debian and like the fact that I don't have to worry about random underlying features breaking all the time when I update (which wasted a ton of my time when I was using Arch Linux).

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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How's the keyboard? I'm so so sad that most laptops' keyboards are terrible... You can't imagine. I so much would love to buy an ASUS or similar laptop as the one you purchased, especially since they are affordable, but every time I check some laptops, their keyboards are beyond terrible. It's a shame, really. I will have to stick to Thinkpads.

If you really cared about the keyboard, they all suck. Get an external mechanical keyboard. I've used one with Cherry MX blue switches at two jobs and no one has threatened to murder and/or fire me yet. Guess I'm lucky. :)

I've actually thought about doing so, but I'm always moving back and forth, so right now I think my best choice is to stick with a laptop. I agree that they all suck, but some (most?) of them suck so much they are out of question. I don't know what happened, really. 10 years ago you bought a laptop, no matter which brand, and you would get a decent keyboard. They have sacrificed quality for aesthetics too much, but maybe you are right; I should just buy a mechanical. I looked into the Happy Hacking keyboard. It's a bit pricey, but I've heard very nice things.
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