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Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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They are speaking Dutch so I thought i'd translate what they are saying: Man: Wacht even wacht even eerst kijken wat er achter ons gebeurt (Wait, wait, first take a look what is happening behind us, don't get out yet.) Man: Blijf zitten blijf zitten. (Stay seated, stay seated.) Woman: Niets doen niets doen niet eruit gaan alsjeblieft. (Don't do anything, don't do anything, don't get out of the car yet please.) Man: N…

Thanks, the first part is also in the closed captioning if you click the CC button on the video.

Edit: just the first part of what the guy says- not the part about being a doctor from the woman.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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This is exactly how Elon described the system. Forward looking radar now bounces radar under car in front, getting back location of 2nd car in front, and responding to sudden braking etc.

Exactly so. The Tesla Model S dashboard display shows the car in front, and the car in front of that. The little car cartoon goes blue when that car is controlling the speed of the Tesla, and red when that car is causing an emergency stop. I've seen this happen, thankfully without the crash and rollover, in my car (Model S). My car has stopped when the second car in front decelerated fast. This kind of forward-lookin…

> a soda can on the road can mimic a large vehicle.

This might not be a bad thing... in my early twenties I saw what I thought was a paper cup in the road and ignored it. When I hit it, my car felt like it was thrown up in the air - turned out to be someone's starter motor. I ended up with a cracked wheel rim and a flat tire.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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A lot of non native English speakers here.

In my non-scientific experience native speakers are more likely to make homophone errors.

That may very well reflect reality, but you also point out that it might not. Would it be better, therefore, not to post the claim in the first place?

(I'm not trying to accuse you of doing something wrong. This is just a minimal, relatively harmless example of a larger and more concerning phenomenon in this age of information spreading so quickly with so little verification. I suspect we're going to need to take a sharp turn towards self-censoring those little unsupported claims, among other strategies.)

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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I came down I-70 into Denver one time in a rented Ford Expedition. Wasn't going that fast, but when I hit the first curve, the body and frame started to really lean onto the outside suspension. I was scared to hit the brakes and cause it to pitch more, so I just barely touched them and had to let it drift into the next lane a bit. The turn went on forever!! Did I mention I was surrounded by motorcycles?

A more extreme, but related condition is a "moose test": The dangerous Toyota Hilux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoHbn8-ROiQ The Jeep Grand Cherokee acting similarly dangerously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaYFLb8WMGM

It would be appropriate to list the model years there, especially if other years have solved the problem!

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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I expect an autopilot could deal with that situation much better than a human as well. It should be able to predict if the car behind won't stop. Certainly better than a human driver could (if the human would even notice the car coming from behind with that happening in front). Then, assuming there is some space open in front, as there was in this case, it could accelerate to avoid the collision from behind. Now I'm…

They are already programmed to avoid being smashed from behind. Watch these two cases [0:47, 1:54] https://youtu.be/JwknRVjUBCg?t=47 https://youtu.be/JwknRVjUBCg?t=114

These were not on Autopilot, but human-operated maneuvers.

Why would Autopilot have a warning for frontal collisions but not for rear collisions? And why would Autopilot be speed-limited and all that if it was able to use launch mode to avoid a rear collision?

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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> The car behind didn't show turn signal Watch the video again; the little red car turns on their blinker and does a very slow shift to the right before clipping that stopped SUV. You're right that he wasn't paying attention, but his reaction time is incredibly slow - it looks like that car had just enough time to slam on their brakes or swerve to the right, yet they did neither.

not sure what the speeds these cars were traveling at but assuming this is regular highway speed is slow reaction time really a good excuse? aren't you supposed to have a wide enough space between you and the car in front of you? to compensate for any slowness in reaction.

If it's any indication, you can read 113 km/h on the dashcam overlay. Besides, the Opel Corsa, at least for the few seconds before the crash, seems to roughly maintain the same distance from the Tesla, so it should be travelling at a very similar speed...

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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They are speaking Dutch so I thought i'd translate what they are saying: Man: Wacht even wacht even eerst kijken wat er achter ons gebeurt (Wait, wait, first take a look what is happening behind us, don't get out yet.) Man: Blijf zitten blijf zitten. (Stay seated, stay seated.) Woman: Niets doen niets doen niet eruit gaan alsjeblieft. (Don't do anything, don't do anything, don't get out of the car yet please.) Man: N…

Thanks, the first part is also in the closed captioning if you click the CC button on the video. Edit: just the first part of what the guy says- not the part about being a doctor from the woman.

Oh sorry, I was not aware of that. I always disable subtitles because I find them annoying.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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One of the main causes of accidents are vehicles left on the road and other vehicles impacting them or the people as they take for granted that traffic will be fluid and are distracted or whatever. You should never leave your children and family on a car on the left lane while you leave, never. I have a neighbor that is paraplegic because of that. His entire family went to the hospital after a vehicle crashed from be…

This is just incorrect. The NHTSA recommends to stay in normal riding position in the vehicle if you need to stop your car on the highway. Yes, you can still get hurt in some circumstances but your neighbor could be dead instead.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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This is great video to study on many levels beyond self-driving car. Some observations: * The car behind didn't show turn signal so probably driver wasn't paying attention. * A small car escaping with not too much damage while SUV rolls over many times * From physics point of view, the car behind produced almost perfect torque that started horizontal spin on SUV * Collisions with barrier at high speed can produce lot…

I'm feeling rather dumb, but can't really intuitively understand the physics here. I see a small car hitting a pretty huge one and yet spins the huge one several times. I always thought those bigger cars are safer / stronger / more resistant to hits? Is it purely because it hit it at the corner, so all the force went into the "spinning axis"? (did I say I feel dumb?)

> I always thought those bigger cars are safer / stronger / more resistant to hits?

Physics would have you start with a spherical, uniformly dense car, but cars aren't that. Crumple zones engineered for passenger safety requirement mean that intuition falls short unless you really dig into it and add stuff like center of gravity to the model.

Also think about why you believe that - looks can be deceiving, and marketing, especially for rare expensive purchases like cars, very much plays on emotional appeal rather than actual science. ("Ultimate driving machine"? Pft, really?). The original SUVs were designed off truck platforms and did quite poorly in safety tests, and their higher center of gravity doesn't help at all. (Though it looks like a minivan in the video.) Just like two objects falling will fall at different speed in the real world due to air resistance, bigger != better with cars. You can't see crumple zones just by looking at how pretty the car is; vehicle safety is one area where government regulation has made cars safer by requiring all new cars sold in the US to meet a very high safety bar, and that's improved over the years, evident in this video of an intentional crash between a 1962 Cadillac vs a 2002 model. https://youtu.be/O-WYKYrq5FI

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