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Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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I'm curious about the implications of this technology (which is amazing) on courteous driving habits. I regularly stop to let people cross the road, I cross the center line when safe to give people and cyclists (if I plan to pass) extra space etc. I suppose, in this Tesla at least, you can just take control, but some other proposed implementations seem to have a less traditional UI.

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Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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The car seems to have a bad habit of turning its steering wheel at stop signs before making its turn. This isn't really a problem at stop signs, but would definitely be dangerous if turning left on a green while waiting for oncoming traffic.

The only left on green we get to see in the video is at 15s, but it didn't have to wait for any oncoming traffic. Hopefully it knows to treat those situations differently.

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So it appears it's reading the road signs? I see it stops on the intersection with a stop sign where's no traffic lights. But what if the sign is damaged or removed? The car will go straight without stopping?

If a stop sign was removed, I probably would've driven straight through without stopping too. How would I know there used to be a stop sign?

Yes, i mean what happens more often- if sign is not fully removed, but bent by collision or turned sideways by hooligans or something. Human would recognize that. Car will not.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Daimler done that 3 years ago even in high density city traffic. Daimler could even pass vehicles that covered half the lane and didn't need to stop for them. https://youtu.be/SUOC8tE4bdM

That's more a bunch of edits than an end-to-end demo.

I did not invested the time to search for that version and I doubt it exists.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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post #91

Daimler done that 3 years ago even in high density city traffic. Daimler could even pass vehicles that covered half the lane and didn't need to stop for them. https://youtu.be/SUOC8tE4bdM

And a horse could do it centuries before that, but that's not a fair comparison either. The car in that video had so much extra custom stuff it's not even funny. And while it's still a technical feat, I don't see every mercedes being sold with that equipment in it already. The reason this is amazing is because Tesla is planning on switching this on for all of their new cars in the very near future. It might not be th…

The equipment is available in the current S-Class and the most current E-Class, when we talk about the sensors and the actuators. It is different with actual ECU who does the computing stuff.

BTW I doubt that the Tesla is ASIL D complient in this sense. AFAIK their is no ASIL D implemented component right now. Everybody avoids that. But this is required to be fail safe.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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It's inconveniencing other drivers on the road and much more importantly this erratic stopping from a human perspective might make it more likely to cause an accident. Granted the accident would legally be the meat driven car's fault who bumps into the suddenly stopped Tesla. It would still be nice to play well with human drivers who don't have the luxury of relaxing in a self driving car.

> Granted the accident would legally be the meat driven car's fault who bumps into the suddenly stopped Tesla. Exactly. If you bump into the car in front, because they stopped for a percieved hazard, it is your fault for tailgaiting, not their fault for percieving a hazard.

That's all very nice in theory but, in the actual real world, if you do a lot of unpredictable braking or other unexpected behaviors, you will basically get hit all the time even if those accidents aren't technically your fault.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Daimler done that 3 years ago even in high density city traffic. Daimler could even pass vehicles that covered half the lane and didn't need to stop for them. https://youtu.be/SUOC8tE4bdM

Very cool video. Said Daimler was using 8 radars and three cameras, so sort of the inverse of the Tesla approach. The Tesla video is a bit more exciting, because it is using a car that consumers are already driving, whereas the Mercedes has "aftermarket" sensors and a computing platform built in. Mercedes is impressive on the other hand, because that was three years ago.

Actually, you can buy the car too. I have been driven in a S-class about 3 years ago that had the same capabilties the Tesla here has.

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Perhaps the car knows it's own capabilities better than we humans do. Maybe it knows that if the joggers were to suddenly jump out, doing what you or I would do isn't enough, so it slowed down to a near stop just in case. Also, it's a bit of a "blind corner", so drifting out toward the middle of the lane might not be the best idea (again, even though it's probably something I as a person in that scenario would have d…

I've wondered about this. Totally defensive driving would reduce a car to 5mph - somebody might jump out from behind every blind corner or mailbox. Truth is, we all drive fairly irresponsibly, trusting in the rules of the road and human self-preservation to keep most stuff out of our way. And if we do hit somebody who dashes out on the freeway, well that's an accident or 'their fault' or 'nobody's fault' so no foul.…

The issue is really about capitalism.

A video where a car manages to stop because a drunk falls into your lane will make the stock soar.

A video where a car hits an old lady who jumps in front of your car will make the stock crash.

There are people on either side who want this technology to succeed or fail (not self-driving, i mean electric cars)

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a stop sign was removed, I probably would've driven straight through without stopping too. How would I know there used to be a stop sign?

Yes, i mean what happens more often- if sign is not fully removed, but bent by collision or turned sideways by hooligans or something. Human would recognize that. Car will not.

Most algorithms can handle slightly turned signs. However signs that are gone could be dangerous.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the car knows it's own capabilities better than we humans do. Maybe it knows that if the joggers were to suddenly jump out, doing what you or I would do isn't enough, so it slowed down to a near stop just in case. Also, it's a bit of a "blind corner", so drifting out toward the middle of the lane might not be the best idea (again, even though it's probably something I as a person in that scenario would have d…

I've wondered about this. Totally defensive driving would reduce a car to 5mph - somebody might jump out from behind every blind corner or mailbox. Truth is, we all drive fairly irresponsibly, trusting in the rules of the road and human self-preservation to keep most stuff out of our way. And if we do hit somebody who dashes out on the freeway, well that's an accident or 'their fault' or 'nobody's fault' so no foul.…

Yeah. We do (or should) typically drive "defensively." But in practice that doesn't mean that we defend against everyone potentially pulling some utterly crazy stunt at any moment. For example, we watch for pedestrians but we don't actually worry too much that there might be someone hiding behind a tree who is going to jump into traffic. And we may be somewhat cautious at cross-streets but we still have a general expectation that a car isn't going to just randomly blow through a red light in the middle of its cycle.
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