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Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour

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> "Subject is privacy conscious, educated" 1/2

I was somewhat unnerved when I heard that -- my reaction being something along the lines of "Uhh, yeah, but who told you that?" I'm curious how it determines these things, so I'm looking through the unminified JS, trying to understand it. Now if it were to detect and call out that I was trying to reverse engineer it, that would be truly creepy.

I have a bunch of ad and tracker blockers installed, so in a certain sense I am "technically educated", but not classically so. :)

Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You do know that the ad won't necessarily be relevant to you, right? Perhaps, but I don't really see the difference in the end. Anecdotally, I see ads for IntelliJ IDEA because I look up a lot of coding-related things. So does it matter that I'm getting this ad because Google's ad network has decided I like coding, or because IntelliJ selected some parameters and said "send this ad to coders"? The goal of either ope…

> making my life worse > technology improves my life in many ways First of all, it might not be about you . If you are privileged enough to not have to worry about being the target of prejudices, hatred, or the occasional witch hunt, then you might not see the necessity of keeping secrets. Some people are not that lucky. > making my life worse It probably isn't making your life worse at the moment . Right now we have…

Interesting points, thanks for sharing.

>you might not see the necessity of keeping secrets

I wanted to address this first. I'm not a believer in "you have nothing to hide if you're not doing anything wrong", so I can appreciate the argument that some people may be more vulnerable than others. For instance whistle blowers that may need to maintain anonymity in all situations.

In these cases however, I believe some responsibility lies to those at risk to opt out of appropriate settings, or avoid using services that require tracking. Similarly, responsibility exists for the companies involved to make those opt-outs accessible, and to not use misleading language.

>Ok, lets consider insurance companies and/or banks. These businesses would really like more to get their hands on data that could give them excuses to raise your rates, deny your loan or insurance coverage.

As you said, laws do exist to protect the user against discrimination in these cases. If there's ways for companies to route around it then I'm not familiar with them, but I would imagine that opens them up to the potential of being heavily fined.

>If you think this is a theoretical concern, then you need to read about the deplorable practice known as "redlining", where data was used as a cover for racial hatred and forced segregation.

This is a good example, and certainly drives your point home. I agree it's absolutely a concern how data is collected in cases such as these. That said, open data can also be used for good. Consider medical studies that can look at entire populations for trends, or data that can help inform governments to the pain points in their region. My takeaway is that we need to be very careful about how data is aggregated and anonymized to avoid this sort of targeting.

So on that point I don't necessarily disagree with you, but my stance is that we shouldn't throw the baby away with the bathwater. Like any tool, data collection can be used for good or evil. We should be concerned with how we enable its use for evil rather than demonize the tool itself.

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