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Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by nailer » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:44 AM UTC

TillE wrote: post #19

fiblye wrote: post #11

I think, in a way, the media is kind of empowering the "alt-right" by constantly referring to them as the "alt-right". It presents it as the little guy vs The Man, and I think that makes it much more palatable than "far right." Influential people who think the government is intentionally making gay frogs, that media needs to be under strict control, that climate change is a Chinese hoax, and that everything is us vs…

It's a little odd, since 99% of the time it's really just a euphemism for a particular kind of neo-nazi.

Really? The alt-right side don't support immigration and like their own culture - which is a very common thing across the world, particularly amongst the working class. neo nazis specifically advocate violence.

I generally vote for the Labour party, but that doesn't mean I and my fellow Labour voters (Corbyn aside) support Mao/Chavez/PolPot-style murdering of our enemies.

Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by woodman » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:48 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #157

prewett wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if you intended this meaning, but it sounds like you see (your) liberal view as the ultimately right one which will inevitably triumph in the end, its just bad tactics right now. I didn't notice this until after I got back to the US after some time in an authoritarian country, and I noticed that liberals had this similar authoritarianness of being unwilling to consider the merits of the other side, a fee…

> I noticed that liberals had this similar authoritarianness of being unwilling to consider the merits of the other side I am not American, but I must say on the level of politicians, Obama repeatedly tried to be bipartisan and was repeatedly rebuffed by the GOP who seemed intent on grinding the government to a halt. Frankly, and it made the Dems look like a pathetic 'hanger-on', IMO. "Considering the merits of the o…

> ... in game theory when the other side always defects.

Consider the conservative position, and what strategy would work for conserving what is important to them. Any sort of compromise is a long term losing strategy, so of course they'll block progressive moves if they're capable. I'm not aware of any real trade ever being offered, something like: we want full on no joke equality of outcome for every flavor of the rainbow, and in exchange we'll give you the abolition of federal income tax.

Imagine if someone demanded you eat a sandwich made of human waste, and then they got upset when you refused to compromise and only eat half of it.

Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by exclusiv » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:48 AM UTC

haimez wrote: post #33

panic wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, the nature of Twitter makes debate unlikely to end in agreement. Twitter is just trying to improve the environment for its users so more people will join and stick around. Most people find the "ideas that powered the NSDAP" quite disgusting.

But at what COST. As a platform shaping measure, this is clearly an intentional measure to create a /specific/ different echo chamber. This is the mechanic that just created a Trump presidency.

It was Hillary's to lose but the D's did have 2 terms which made it tougher. Nonetheless, Trump gave her fodder daily. She lost to Obama when he was hardly known. Nearly lost to an old and little known socialist atheist/Jew. Email scandal. Benghazi. Whitewater. Pay to play laundering / vast personal riches. All the scandals from the 90s. Deplorables. Saying blacks and Muslims can't succeed regardless of circumstance / "professional never do wells".

Her supporters act like she was squeaky clean. When I chatted with them they had hardly no knowledge of her or Bill's checkered past.

I've heard people say she lost because she's a woman. That's like the QB throwing 4 interceptions and saying they lost because the kicker missed a field goal.

Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by exclusiv » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:54 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #69

colemickens wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Am I to understand that suggesting Trump voters kill themselves is acceptable? I have no idea how you would've come to that conclusion, I certainly don't think it and didn't imply it. Is this really the game we're playing? Really? I have to go find three tweets of Trump supporters telling HRC supporters to kill themselves? Do you really think that can't be trivially found?

"And to every black person that voted for Trump as a joke. Malcolm X should kick ur ass. You are not my nigga anymore. Kill yourself" https://twitter.com/h0elooks/status/796337658549202945 " Please kill yourself racist piece of shit " (seconds ago as of time of writing) https://twitter.com/braaaaiiinnns/status/799113146602573825 5-6, actually. Go ahead, I'll wait. Yes, I really think you can't find that, unless we're…

That's an especially ironic statement you pulled because Malcolm X told blacks they were continued chumps and race traitors for voting Democrat.

Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by yAnonymous » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 10:00 AM UTC

Always entertaining when supposedly leftist organizations like Twitter out themselves as fascists.

You're not better than the people you're suspending. In fact, you're a lot like them.

Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by woodman » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 10:01 AM UTC

fiblye wrote: post #11

I think, in a way, the media is kind of empowering the "alt-right" by constantly referring to them as the "alt-right". It presents it as the little guy vs The Man, and I think that makes it much more palatable than "far right." Influential people who think the government is intentionally making gay frogs, that media needs to be under strict control, that climate change is a Chinese hoax, and that everything is us vs…

> ... that media needs to be under strict control ...

Is that really an alt-right position? I lost interest in politics a long time ago, but the last time I heard that sentiment was from the left - calling for the Fairness Doctrine to be brought back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by Mithaldu » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 10:01 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #46

colemickens wrote: post #43

> Those with the "correct" political views can basically tell people to kill themselves That's just simply untrue. Hyperbole and lies don't help in these conversations. (And I say this as someone who thinks that Facebook and Twitter have no place being arbiters of "truth"). Downvoted to -4 on HN for saying that Twitter doesn't allow liberals special privileges to threaten violence on Twitter. Gotta just love this pla…

https://twitter.com/hipsterocracy/status/796353512208625666 https://twitter.com/_g3orgia/status/796263284282454017 https://twitter.com/cervines/status/795679114673852416 https://twitter.com/_mr_parker25/status/796521044492349440 "If you voted third party in a swing state you should kill yourself." "Kill yourself" "Kill yourself. Honestly kill yourself. You wouldn't be missed" "To everyone who voted for trump as a jok…

There's one thing i'd like to point out to that.

But first: Yes, such posts are abhorrent and unacceptable and come from people who're very childish, emotional and lack self control.

That said, it helps to understand where this comes from. Many of these people (particularly the one responding to 2) feel that thanks to the policies of Trump and the people he surrounds himself with, they or their friends are being indirectly already being told to die. (LGBTQ, Obamacare recipients, others)

I am not making excuses for these reprehensible tweets, but i feel it is valuable to understand where the causes for them lie.

Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by JulianMorrison » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 10:12 AM UTC

From Twitter's perspective, I'm figuring they see these people not as a political movement, but simply as a nest of trolls, who go around harassing people and inciting mobs and are thus poison to the network.

Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by jsmith0295 » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 10:25 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #157

prewett wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if you intended this meaning, but it sounds like you see (your) liberal view as the ultimately right one which will inevitably triumph in the end, its just bad tactics right now. I didn't notice this until after I got back to the US after some time in an authoritarian country, and I noticed that liberals had this similar authoritarianness of being unwilling to consider the merits of the other side, a fee…

> I noticed that liberals had this similar authoritarianness of being unwilling to consider the merits of the other side I am not American, but I must say on the level of politicians, Obama repeatedly tried to be bipartisan and was repeatedly rebuffed by the GOP who seemed intent on grinding the government to a halt. Frankly, and it made the Dems look like a pathetic 'hanger-on', IMO. "Considering the merits of the o…

That is really not true given the full history of things. Most Republicans were very willing to compromise after Obama first took office, but he elected to completely ignore them instead since he had a super majority. At that point the only thing they had left to do was to be obstructionist, and I'm sure he was very aware of the potential political consequences of jamming legislation through in the beginning of his administration. In my opinion, the attempts at being bipartisan later were just political showmanship. Similar to how the Republicans voted to repeal Obamacare repeatedly even though they knew it would be vetoed. There was a lot of legislation that was voted on only because the knew it would get vetoed

Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by makomk » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 10:25 AM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #125

commenting wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Black Lives Matter means Black Lives Matter as well . The All Lives Matter movement, as a reaction to BLM, is essentially saying that they don't, and that the racial struggles of American Blacks are irrelevant. That is the reason why All Lives Matter is considered abusive.

Before there was an All Lives Matter movement, there was one candidate who said: "Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter." Whatever may have happened after, there was little justification to destroy that candidate for saying this.

Here is how Donald Trump described said candidate's apology for that: "And then he apologized like a little baby, like a disgusting, little weak, pathetic baby, and that's the problem with our country," [1]

Make no mistake, Trump and the alt-right are incredibly hostile to anyone who doesn't see Black Lives Matter as an evil, racist attack on white people, who don't think that blacks complaining about police violence against them is the real racism.

[1] http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/21/politics/martin-omalley-do...