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Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by greenhatman »

morganvachon wrote: post #37
cwyers wrote: post #2

> Microsoft is boldly experimenting with PC hardware, but Windows and everything around Windows is woefully inferior to macOS and the Mac software ecosystem. Even if Microsoft did everything right, it would take Windows at least a decade to catch up — and they won’t do everything right. So, if you have everything already on macOS (I still hate that name change), I can get not wanting to switch. But what on Earth is i…

That's what bothers me about the article. I can't think of a single piece of professional production software that is Mac only, apart from Apple's own apps like Final Cut Pro and Logic. Those are great apps but they have equivalents on Windows, and some of the Linux pro audio and video apps are getting really good. As for web development, there is nothing you can do on a Mac that can't be done on Linux or BSD apart f…

The only one I knew of was Sequel Pro. But JetBrains' DataGrip now fills that void.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by m_mueller »

addicted wrote: post #43
m_mueller wrote: post #10

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* The windows registry vs the OSX defaults system * Constantly changing APIs based on Microsofts internal politics vs. the very stable Cocoa * HiDPI that always works or has good fallbacks * Touchpad / gesture support that is actually pleasant and precise to use * Battery life * Multidesktop * POSIX scripting (that one is slowly coming to windows now) * Can be restored from another computer in a matter of minutes (se…

1) Do people still face Registry issues anymore? My ME system was hosed due to a minor registry corruption, but I haven't heard about Registry complaints in a decade (to be fair, I was completely in the mac camp, until a few months ago, so I may simply be unaware). 2) Applications written in the 90s still work on Windows 10. There was a short period (around Windows 8) where MS started dropping all their old APIs, but…

1) Hosing the registry is not the big issue. The issue is that distributed config with centralised UI >> centralised config. On OSX, if I want to reset an App to factory I delete a .plist and maybe an application support folder (always in the same place). I never had to reinstall a single application in 11 years of using OSX. Moving to a different mac? Migration support just does a file based copy of your apps, plist files and support folders and everything is exactly the same as bevore. Want to copy an app without config? Just copy the .app file. These are all things that registry + complex program folders with write access make impossible.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by gotofritz »

saurik wrote: post #34
wfleming wrote: post #7

> Linux can solve some pro needs, but not most. It’s a fantastic server OS but a miserable desktop one, and that will probably never change. Depending on which pro needs We're talking about, I don't believe this is true anymore. I was a Linux user for many years, then an OS X user for over a decade, and earlier this year I'd had enough with being annoyed by OS X & switched back to Linux. I am extremely happy I did. I…

> If you want beautiful GUIs or do video/audio/graphics editing then, yes, macOS is still superior. Adobe porting their Creative Suite to Linux and maybe even releasing their own branded AdobeOS Linux distribution would seem to be a massive existential threat to Apple and Microsoft both, and would give Adobe a possible "out" to the world they live in right now, where Apple tries to do their best to keep Adobe "in che…

Not a chance in hell Adobe is going to do that. It'd increase their costs and the complexity of releases, and all for a platform with 1.x% share and with a culture of not paying for softare

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by riffic »

laserbeams wrote: post #168
riffic wrote: post #158

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DreamWorks Animation/PDI gave their crew decent HP x86 RHEL boxes. Desktop and farm Linux is a necessity in these fields.

> Desktop and farm Linux is a necessity in these fields. Howso? I was working with animation tools developed entirely internally -- last I checked C++ and Qt work fine on OS X.

Linux system engineers and administrators are a bit more common to hire for than OS X engineers, not to mention that the ecosystem is mature and healthy.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by mhenr18 »

mhermher wrote: post #159
mhenr18 wrote: post #116

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You wouldn't be commenting on things working at high DPIs on Windows if you've been using a Mac for the past few years. It's really one of those things where a lot of Windows users think that it's fine, but once you see how well seamless and fully supported things are on OSX you realise just how much there is left to do. Every single app integrates well and the scaling is flawless even for the few that don't support…

I've never dragged a window between screens on Windows because that's not something you do on Windows. You use win+direction. Something sorely missing from osx and third party software is nowhere near as good as the native Windows solution. I use both OSs almost everyday. Mac for work, and win for home. The fact that you mention dragging windows (a necessity on mac) in Windows shows that you probably don't use it ver…

Actually I can't use Win + direction anymore because on Win10 it immediately nags me to pick what other window should fill the other half when I don't want to do that.

I use Windows more than OS X these days.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by chrisper »

rcarmo wrote: post #78
chrisper wrote: post #71

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>and stuff that relies on (for instance) having an official serial number (like iMessage) will also fail. Which is not true. I have gotten my iMessage to work without having to clone a serial number.

I'm curious about that, since iMessage and iTunes Match have been a constant source of trouble to one of my colleagues. He also mentions that the device is flagged as "Untrusted" in Find My Mac...

The idea is to generate a valid serial number (in form) that is not used by someone else. Not sure if things have changed, though, but I used this last year and it worked. It still shows up on my account as an iMac 2013.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/2wohwn/getting_...

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by RandomOpinion »

thenewwazoo wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm living in a crazytown where nobody sees what's so plainly obvious. Doesn't anyone remember when IBM wasn't able to deliver chips to Apple on the schedule they demanded, and customers were complaining, and they were taking a drubbing in the press for it? And Apple let their existing product line stagnate for a little while, and then we got the Intel Macs? Well, this time it's Intel and not IBM, except…

>Well, this time it's Intel and not IBM, except Apple owns their own chip designs and has 200 billion dollars laying around.

And? If any of the handful of people on the entire planet capable of building an ARM capable of rivaling Intel's current x86 designs were hired by Apple, it would be all over the tech industry news sites instantly. 200 billion doesn't mean a thing if it isn't applied properly.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by dblohm7 »

spo81rty wrote: post #48
m_mueller wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* The windows registry vs the OSX defaults system * Constantly changing APIs based on Microsofts internal politics vs. the very stable Cocoa * HiDPI that always works or has good fallbacks * Touchpad / gesture support that is actually pleasant and precise to use * Battery life * Multidesktop * POSIX scripting (that one is slowly coming to windows now) * Can be restored from another computer in a matter of minutes (se…

Why would most macOS users care about the Windows registry, Microsoft APIs, OS level PDF, or POSIX? Perhaps a programmer, but not an end user? Seems like I would take a super powerful Windows or linux server any day over a lower powered Mac Pro just because of the OS if hardware specs were that critical. Taking 10 vs 1 minute to render would be way more important. BTW, Windows 10 has multi desktop and most apps work…

Regarding high DPI, I beg to differ. A lot of Windows applications look like shit on high DPI.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by saurik »

gotofritz wrote: post #173
saurik wrote: post #34

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> If you want beautiful GUIs or do video/audio/graphics editing then, yes, macOS is still superior. Adobe porting their Creative Suite to Linux and maybe even releasing their own branded AdobeOS Linux distribution would seem to be a massive existential threat to Apple and Microsoft both, and would give Adobe a possible "out" to the world they live in right now, where Apple tries to do their best to keep Adobe "in che…

Not a chance in hell Adobe is going to do that. It'd increase their costs and the complexity of releases, and all for a platform with 1.x% share and with a culture of not paying for softare

That's like saying Google releasing Chrome OS and Android while porting their software the Linux was dumb because it just increases their costs for a platform that no one uses while totally missing the part that Google now controls an alternative platform that people actually do use... do you really not see how Adobe seems to hold almost all of the cards needed right now to take over as de facto operating system?

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by saurik »

paulcole wrote: post #149
saurik wrote: post #34

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> If you want beautiful GUIs or do video/audio/graphics editing then, yes, macOS is still superior. Adobe porting their Creative Suite to Linux and maybe even releasing their own branded AdobeOS Linux distribution would seem to be a massive existential threat to Apple and Microsoft both, and would give Adobe a possible "out" to the world they live in right now, where Apple tries to do their best to keep Adobe "in che…

>Adobe porting their Creative Suite to Linux and maybe even releasing their own branded AdobeOS Linux distribution would seem to be a massive existential threat to Apple and Microsoft both And if my aunty had bollocks she'd be my uncle.

I am going to assume you are trying to say that would never happen, but suddenly going into the operating system market with a Linux distribution is not unprecedented (Google Chrome OS) and doing a simultaneous pivot to take over a related space is not either (Amazon AWS).
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