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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jayjay71 »

jfoster wrote: post #163
jayjay71 wrote: post #149

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In theory, sure. But you're effectively saying computers have to process vision as well as humans, which some experts think is comparable to solving AI. I'm not saying Tesla won't make a lot of progress, but considering how many decades of research has gone into this very problem (I worked on it at Carnegie Mellon as a graduate student, and they've been doing it since the 80's) it will likely take longer than most pe…

I think you must mean that you don't know an academic expert who thinks we're close. The teams at Tesla must think it's achievable in the next few years.

Well I also used to work with the team that's now at Uber (I worked at the National Robotics Engineering Center which is where they got almost all of their initial 40 engineers), and some of the guys I used to work with went to Google as well as Tesla. Tesla has a retention problem - their top engineers regularly quit every few years. Google lost nearly their entire team working on self-driving cars because Sergey insisted on making a fully self-driving vehicle instead of rolling out incremental levels of autonomy.

If you're only reading article after article hyping the technology instead of talking to the people actually building it, of course you're going to believe the journalists instead of the engineers.

I don't know anybody actually writing the code that thinks we're close. Of course the PR teams and managers are going to hype everything up - that's their job.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Tempest1981 »

Element_ wrote: post #74

Will this new neural net and hardware be capable of advanced object detection? For instance if a plastic bag or piece of cardboard rolls across the highway a human driver knows it's safe to run over without stopping. Would a system like this just see an obstacle via radar and emergency brake? Google has been working on this problem for longer and they have access to the largest image/video datasets in the world to tr…

Is Google currently collecting data outside of the Mountain View area? I rarely see their SUVs or cars anywhere else.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by josephagoss »

probe wrote: post #160

Can someone speak to Tesla's approach of collecting real-world data, and Google's approach of "simulating" roads and conditions and running self-driving models on that (so technically their vehicles drive millions of miles on simulated roads). Intuitively Tesla's approach makes more sense, but would love to hear someone with domain knowledge on how much of a difference it can actually make (after all, you need qualit…

More data will win. Tesla can also simulate if they need to.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by josephagoss »

shas3 wrote: post #68

This is a sign of the utter commodification of hardware and the possibility that a majority of innovation in the future (with the exception of low-power wearables) lies in the realm of software and algorithms.

But things have been moving that way for a long time and until it becomes common place to travel in spaceships it's going to remain that way.

The real space age will again open up hardware, but make no mistake that software will play as important or more of an important role then to.

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Post by rasz_pl »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #158
Klathmon wrote: post #137

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That's a really fucking shitty thing to do, and is gonna cause some pretty big waves IMO if they follow through with it. The issues with not being able to modify your own stuff is already really shitty, but its not something that the average Joe really can understand easily, and even less care about it. But not being able to USE your car for some things? That just screams easy headlines and it's a reason I might not…

> But not being able to USE your car for some things? That just screams easy headlines and it's a reason I might not get a Tesla in the future. Its your car. It's Tesla software. You don't own it, just like you don't own any of the other commercial software you use. I can't really find fault in it; they deserve the lion's share of the revenue (not Uber, Lyft, or you) if you put the vehicle into their shared rideshari…

Actually you DO own it in EU, and can do whatever you like with it (borrow, sell).

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by hash-set »

I get that tech companies want self-driving cars really bad because they smell billions of dollars in "disruption" but no matter how good AI gets, I have a suspicion it won't actually do better than a decent human driver can do. It's not about processing speed, it's about experience and reflexes, which granted, not everyone has.

Let's see a self-driving car win a Formula 1 race--and even that controlled racetrack environment isn't the same as the real world! It's actually harder to drive on the typical American roadways than it is to be on a track.

And yes, I am aware that AI stuff is improving exponentially or whatever, but the more I think about this, the more I think it is mostly a pipe dream to grab headlines and be a "look over here" type distraction for the purposes of raising funding.

In terms of safety, people will still lose their lives, they will just die from different kinds of car accidents than the kinds we have now.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by sokoloff »

WalterBright wrote: post #72
thesimon wrote: post #62

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>From a PR perspective, the name was a solid gold decision. I doubt it. It creates false hopes and probably hurted/hurts them when crashs happen. The Tesla autopilot death in June was a really big thing, yet other crashes where assistant systems of other manufacturers are never in the press. Maybe because of the name, maybe because the drivers use them better? Also look at what happened recently in Germany: 1. Basica…

The autopilot in an airplane cannot be used without a pilot paying attention, either, but it is still called an autopilot. (For example, autopilots do not avoid traffic on a collision course.)

The A380 now has the capability to respond to resolution advisories (RAs) on autopilot.

You're correct that most do not, but there's now one that does.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jellicle »

jfoster wrote: post #168
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #123

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... and perhaps legal liability for you, if it's involved in a crash or a passenger injury.

That wouldn't make much sense. Unless you were negligent in some way (modifications, maintenance not done, etc.), I would expect Tesla to be the liable party. The owner is just using a Tesla feature in the way the company intended.

That is charmingly optimistic.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by hash-set »

WalterBright wrote: post #72
thesimon wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>From a PR perspective, the name was a solid gold decision. I doubt it. It creates false hopes and probably hurted/hurts them when crashs happen. The Tesla autopilot death in June was a really big thing, yet other crashes where assistant systems of other manufacturers are never in the press. Maybe because of the name, maybe because the drivers use them better? Also look at what happened recently in Germany: 1. Basica…

The autopilot in an airplane cannot be used without a pilot paying attention, either, but it is still called an autopilot. (For example, autopilots do not avoid traffic on a collision course.)

This is the worst of both worlds--having people become complacent behind the wheel while a computer drives only to have to suddenly become engaged which you know isn't going to happen. A lot of people nod off while driving as it is. Take away the "you're going to die if you don't pay attention" part and then imagine what happens!

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by gakada »

probe wrote: post #160

Can someone speak to Tesla's approach of collecting real-world data, and Google's approach of "simulating" roads and conditions and running self-driving models on that (so technically their vehicles drive millions of miles on simulated roads). Intuitively Tesla's approach makes more sense, but would love to hear someone with domain knowledge on how much of a difference it can actually make (after all, you need qualit…

Not an expert, but what you describe is testing different parts of the system. Real world data tests that the sensor system is creating an accurate model of the environment, whereas simulated data ensures that the vehicle makes correct decisions for any given input model.

e.g. real world data tests that the vehicle can detect a stop sign. Simulated data tests that the vehicle stops at a stop sign.

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