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How the Web Became Unreadable

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Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#171
I have two links on my bookmark bar.

"jqueryfy":

javascript:(function(){var s=document.createElement('script');s.setAttribute('src','https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.7.2/jquery.mi...;})();

"readability":

javascript:$("*").css({color: 'white', background: '#21368c'})

I click the first one and then the second one almost every time I find something long to read on the web (HN comments threads included). It works 95% of the time.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#172
post #151
post #67

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>You know what works? Craiglist, that's what works. Reddit works. Hacker News works. Political views aside (and the post doesn't concern those either), this is quite relevant: https://signalvnoise.com/posts/1407-why-the-drudge-report-is...

But the mobile experience sucks :-(

On mobile use idrudgereport.com - it sequences the columns as one and is far more readable

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#173

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> Backend programmers kept piling functionality into these apps and at some point no matter how good a designer is it just gets overwhelmed. Wow that's the first time I have heard the problem phrased this way. Usually it's the other way around -- the designers and product leads want to pile on so many features and the backend devs can't keep up, so the codebase turns into a rotten pile of shit.

I don't think thats actually true. Designers are mostly very good at not adding too much because it goes against their aesthetic mission. What you are talking about is product people or product owners not designers.

Do you think it's the product people asking for grey fonts on a light grey background? (What the article is saying).

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#174
post #6

We need some strong AI to strip away the ads, and extract only the main text, then format that text using the reader's preferences. OCR 2.0, if you will. Caveat: it may kill the advertisement industry.

We had this. It was amazing. It was called textmode.org. You pasted the URL after the slash and it would give you just the text, e.g., http://textmode.org/http://website-a-b-c.com

I died a little inside the day it went down.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#176

Does anyone know what the contrast ratio for black ink on white paper roughly is? I was once a big fan of black-on-white on my computer screen, until I read that Solarized aimed for the contrast of "shaded paper" [1] and realized that the contrast ratio on a computer screen was much greater than the contrast ratio in printed material. Also, it seems to me that monitors have improved in being able to display more cont…

You'll get more out of turning down the brightness of your monitor than changing color schemes. White paper will depend more on the room lighting than anything else.

For paper a contrast ratio of ~10:1 is assumed. I expect the assumption being based on a lighting situation where one can read with no strain.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#177
post #163

Designers are ruining software in general. iTunes, the iOS music app, and Google Maps are just a few pieces of software that started out relatively usable (if not exactly stable in the case of iTunes), and have been iterated and stylized to the point where I routinely get enraged by them. At least Google Maps has walked back that terrible accordion thing that literally drove me crazy. I basically think design is like…

As a designer, I agree completely. The problem is: interaction design really is a discipline in its absolute infancy. It's not graphic design. It's not engineering. It's not architecture. Pretty much anyone can just pick it up and start doing it. And the people who decide to ship shitty designs you're complaining about are more concerned with 'pageviews' or 'installs' (and in turn, their bonus) than actual usability.…

I would agree that interaction design for the web is in it's infancy inasmuch as it still displays a tendency to stick it's fork in the power outlet when left unsupervised. Otherwise I disagree strongly. All of the design lessons learned leading up to the .com implosion have had to be collectively re-learned at least twice (remember jello mold layouts? eyeroll) in the last 15 years. The root problem: designers either refuse to make peace with the fact that layout and control interfaces have been largely solved problems for close to 20 years now, or they fail miserably at conveying these limitations to potential clients.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

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post #137

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It's not aged paper, necessarily; look at any well-made book (excluding glossy picture books) and the paper will be stable and opaque but not bright.

I'm spending a lot of time going through Internet Archive books (the one indicated has relevance to the whole advertising-supported nature of the Internet as well, I submitted it as an HN article earlier today). So I'm somewhat attuned to the visual appearance. Different paper ages differently, and I believe that much of the highly-yellowed paper is high-pulp content, as opposed to archival-quality, acid-free rag. Th…

Yes, my intent was to emphasize that lower-than-maximum contrast through paper (and not grey ink) is typical of most high-quality printing, to avoid giving the impression that it implies age, wear, or low quality (pulp/newsprint), which designers probably want to avoid.

(There was an 18th-century fad for extremely high contrast, but fortunately it passed. And current printer/copy paper is excessively bright (often even using fluorescent brighteners), but no one considers photocopies to be the height of good taste.)

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#179
post #133

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Most bad design decisions are considered ‘features’ by those responsible.

Downvoted posts are meant to be harder and harder to read.

They are. This merges “I disagree with this” and “No one should read this”, yielding “No one should read things I disagree with”.
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