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The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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The dongle: probably has a poor quality DAC, gets lost easily, and prevents the phone from being charged or tethered to a computer.

I imagine it doesn't have any DAC. The DAC is still inside the phone, just like on previous iphone, the dongle is just a physical adapter to the 3.5mm standard.

I had assumed it had a DAC since I haven't seen apple use lightning for analog audio yet. I could be wrong, but couldn't find any source for clarification (upon googling). This slide from yesterday seems to suggest lightning is being used for digital out: https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ghvFaov2v5hQ-mZ8y-r6VM5oTWI...

Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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Other people getting screwed: Custom IEM wearers. I had a $300 set of Alclair Audio IEMs made so I can use an in-ear audio system on stage while making live music. These use impressions that an audiologist takes of your ear canals for an _exact_ fit that completely seals your ear. There's not a snow-balls chance in hell I would have these be wireless, or a proprietary standard: 1) Latency. Anything over 2ms is not ac…

>> "3) Removing the 3.5mm pretty much means Apple is exiting professional audio because it's now incompatible with 100% of everything." They removed it from the phone, nothing else. In what scenario are you using an iPhone with custom IEM's in a professional audio setting?

I think Apple seriously underestimates its appeal towards creatives. I've been buying Apple products for 10 years because of their ease-of-use with creative software. As they slowly move away from PC's and professional media standards I see their market share diminishing.

They are heading down the path of lowest common denominator just like Microsoft in the early 2000's. I expect the same fate awaits them as someone else fills that role.

Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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I just don't see that happening. To be completely honest, literally 0 of the people I know with iphones have anything other than official Apple headphones. Even when they break, they go into an apple store and buy new ones. There will be lots of complaining, but for most people this won't change anything except the annoyance of not being able to charge while using the headphones without an adapter (which is the only…

The headphone industry was generating $2.3B in revenue in 2013 [1], with premium headphones making $1B of that. Needless to say, the world is much larger than your friend group. [1] https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/pr...

I wonder how much of that "premium" segment is owned by Beats? Regardless of their quality, this CNN article[0] claims that beats owns a quarter of the total headphones market and over half of the "premium headphones" segment.

These other stats claim that Apple & Beats, combined, account for 70% of future purchase plans for teens.[1] Th definitely have the edge with regards to marketing.

And also, looks like just recently Bluetooth headphones are outselling wired headphones.[2]

With Apple controlling Beats, and Beats nearly controlling the headphones market, I still think this problem will end up affecting a mere niche demographic one year from today.

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0. http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/tech/beats-headphones-audio-ma... (from 2014. Also, beware opening on mobile, it's banner heavy for me)

1. http://www.statisticbrain.com/headphone-industry-market-shar... (March 2016)

2. http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/16/07/28/bluetooth-h... (July 2016)

Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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I know you're joking, and I'm not agreeing with the headphone jack decision, but the dongle is $9. http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-...

I have four android phones. None of them cost me a dime. They all have headphone jacks.

Unless these were gifts, you paid for them. If the phones were "free" or just a penny from a mobile carrier, the real price of the phone was hidden in the monthly service charge. That's why you had to sign a long-term service contract to get the "free" phone.

Thank goodness the carriers have been moving away from that kind of deceptive pricing.

Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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If you are interested in open hardware, one company working diligently on solutions Purism:

https://puri.sm/

You can order laptops now and they are talking about a phone. They even negotiate with OEMs, such as Intel,[0] to provide more open versions of their products, diligently trying to create widespread change. They aren't all the way there,[1] but seem committed to the long run.

(I'm not affiliated, and all I know about them is what I read.)

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[0] https://puri.sm/posts/petition-for-intel-to-release-an-me-le...

[1] https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/ - Note that's from Aug 2015

Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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Other people getting screwed: Custom IEM wearers. I had a $300 set of Alclair Audio IEMs made so I can use an in-ear audio system on stage while making live music. These use impressions that an audiologist takes of your ear canals for an _exact_ fit that completely seals your ear. There's not a snow-balls chance in hell I would have these be wireless, or a proprietary standard: 1) Latency. Anything over 2ms is not ac…

> Anything over 2ms is not acceptable for live music. That's the difference between a band sounding "in-time" to "needs practice"

Obviously you want your in-ear sound to be as exact as possible, but a 2 ms difference will not make a band sound bad. I remember hearing 9 ms was the threshold for live music, but I can't find any references. If it truly is lower I would love to read some source material.

There are very few people in the world that would be capable of playing within a 2 ms tolerance (but maybe you're just holding you in-ear reference to a higher standard to allow for human error).

Edit: here's an interesting resource, not much data but they did find problems start between 10-20ms. http://blog.highfidelity.com/blog/2013/05/how-much-latency-c...

Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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>why is that any different than the OS influencing what gets sent to the 3.5mm jack? Their issue seems to be that it is not analog. The lightening port and bluetooth connection are two-way data connections, and the phone will be able to identify what is attached (rather than just outputing an analog signal). Here's the quotes that make that clear- > But intentionally or not, by removing the analog port, Apple is givi…

So exclusive releases for specific hardware IDs are feasible. A not so far fetched Scenario extending on the exclusive iTunes release practice: Popular new Artist - New Album: Listen before everyone else exclusively on beats

It would be so easy to beat this though (if you want the analog hole route), ultimately that gets decoded and sent to the speakers in the headphones, rip the headphones apart.

Unless they start doing serious hardware anti-tamper in headphones I don't think it's a real risk.

Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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> When you plug an audio cable into a smartphone, it just works.

No, hardware-wise you're still going through a DAC, and the complex audio subsystem of the OS is still deciding, upon receiving the connection signal, to re-route the application audio through that headphone DAC. Or not. Jack or Lightning doesn't change this.

> Apple can choose which manufacturers get to create Lightning-compatible audio devices.

Sure. Or you can use the included lightning-jack adapter and just use normal, un-DRM'd headphones.

>Once Apple gets the ability to add DRM, the record industry gets the ability to insist that Apple use it

See my first point: the audio jack wasn't your last guardian of freedom.

>In other words, if it’s impossible to connect a speaker or other audio device to an iPhone without Apple software governing it

Use the adapter. And see the first point.

> the only way to connect an iPhone 7 to a recording or mixing device will be over the suboptimal Bluetooth connection or a dongle provided by Apple.

Aha! They finally acknowledge the adapter! But do they acknowledge that it's functionally identical to a built-in DAC?

> It's possible that iOS or specific apps will be able to disable the dongle.

It's also possible the phone will halt and catch fire if you run an unapproved app. But disabling the dongle would be moronic. For one thing, they'd be incurring the wrath of ADA-defender groups.

>the converter you rely on to hear your phone on your hearing aids—just became less useful.

See previous point.

>But you shouldn’t have to depend on a manufacturer’s permission to use its hardware however you like.

Then don't even buy Apple. They've been locked down in so many other ways for a long time.

Anyhow.

The simple explanation (see Occam's Razor) is that the designers noticed that they were using valuable internal space for a redundant connector (considering the hardware has been able to route audio over Lightning for a long time), and figured they could reclaim that space for something else. Clearly, people disagree with this change. The market will tell.

Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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> How many times will it take you forgetting your dongle to just pony up and buy the apple approved headphones? Or do like I would do, which is buy an Android phone. I mean they only have 88% market share, how long will _they_ be around?

When Apple removed the floppy drive, CD drive, and ports older than USB, everyone else followed. What do you think is going to happen to Android phones' headphone jacks?

Nothing.

The question is, who is going to win: the legion of teenagers and young adults who listen to audio via the headphone jack, or device makers?

(It's the legion.)

If you had a replacement that was better - cheaper, less of an annoyance than $5 headphones plugged into a cheap phone - then you might win. But the proposed replacement is superexpensive, battery-powered wireless headphones. When the no-strain-relief Apple cables break, probably within weeks, you're supposed to buy another superexpensive set. That's not going anywhere with the horde of teenagers. It's a non-starter.

Re: The End of Headphone Jacks, the Rise of DRM

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1. Apple has already publicly stated this is not about DRM and, at least when it comes to music, they have been very anti-DRM for a long time.

2. Apple earbuds aren't the only one's you can use. There are lots of lightning compatible headphones and they've been around a while.

3. This is not 'The End of Headphones Jacks'. It's one phone manufacturer. Globally iPhone market share is less than 20% so if you want a headphone jack you have a lot of great options.

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