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Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#171

> Employees and investors absolutely need the right to know about the people doing this "Michael" the CEO: https://www.linkedin.com/in/isaacchae1981 "Charlie" the CTO: https://www.linkedin.com/in/albrown "Jessica" the CMO: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tess-stevens-28bb9138 Company: http://www.wrkriot.com/ + https://www.linkedin.com/company/7587861

Other website: http://1for.one/

Mirrored image of the team in a meeting: http://i.imgur.com/Hoimzgi.jpg

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*WrkRiot. 1forOne's twitter and facebook profiles are gone and WrkRiot matches the description perfectly (including the doggy avatar and a large number of Asian employees). It's actually dangerously obvious who some of the people mentioned in the story are, just from the descriptions. It might be a good idea to anonymize characters further by changing ethnicity/nationality and gender.

Why? Shouldn't we be encouraging people who out bad actors?

"Name and shame" feels good but there's a huge danger in pillorying people just based on a single person's account.

WrkRiot seems to be the company in question and their online presence is so laughable nobody here likely feels bad for making fun of them, especially because of the behaviour the author describes. But the story is not just about a company but also about individuals.

Consider WrkRiot's head of marketing, for example. The author portrays her very negatively (outright trying to take the author's credit, being generally incompetent and engaging in deceptive and hostile practices). Whether you personally find the author trustworthy or not, if you only go by the article this is essentially hearsay.

Whether the allegations are true or not, she might face problems because of them (e.g. when trying to apply to new jobs). The author OTOH can maintain plausible deniability because the article never explicitly named any names (just gave enough identifying information to allow HNers to deduct the identity of the company and the employees).

I'm not saying the author is lying. I'm not saying WrkRiot or its CEO is innocent. I'm just saying there's no way to know as an outside how much of the story is true and what details have been left out (knowingly or not).

This is why in criminal investigations "due process" is a thing. Otherwise you end up with mob rule and character assassination -- and accusations tend to stick even if they're proven wrong and malicious.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#173

https://www.linkedin.com/company/jobsonic ?

Yep. Looks like it's now called "1for.one". Their CEO has a stock photo on LinkedIn and owned a mining corp.

The website doesn't look like anything that would come out from a team of developers/designer. It looks like one man side project really...

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#174

Hey guys, just wanted to clear the air on some of the speculation: I'm actually with WrkRiot and can guarantee you we're not the company in question: I've got many weeks of paid on time pay stubs sitting right here. Plus we didn't have anyone matching any of the descriptions in this article. Interesting article though, it's really shitty some have bad experiences like this.

> I've got many weeks of paid on time pay stubs sitting right here

lol

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*WrkRiot. 1forOne's twitter and facebook profiles are gone and WrkRiot matches the description perfectly (including the doggy avatar and a large number of Asian employees). It's actually dangerously obvious who some of the people mentioned in the story are, just from the descriptions. It might be a good idea to anonymize characters further by changing ethnicity/nationality and gender.

Why? Shouldn't we be encouraging people who out bad actors?

Yes, we should out bad actors. But we should also avoid witch hunts. I agree with pluma 100% here. Plausible deniability is important as there are always at least two sides to every story.

That said, Penny's account of life at the mystery startup sounds startlingly like that of my experience at Motionloft many years ago. The difference there is that the (ex-)CEO was convicted, and my experience was corroborated by another ex-employee and by one extremely pissed off vendor.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#178

Hey guys, just wanted to clear the air on some of the speculation: I'm actually with WrkRiot and can guarantee you we're not the company in question: I've got many weeks of paid on time pay stubs sitting right here. Plus we didn't have anyone matching any of the descriptions in this article. Interesting article though, it's really shitty some have bad experiences like this.

Nice try. FYI, this HN story is now the first search result on WrkRiot.

They don't have SEO problems anymore.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Witch hunting. You don't know the real story, especially just how 'evil' Jessica is.

Fraud is the real story and she's doing future victims a favor by dropping just enough hints for others to find out who they are and avoid them. She should have sent the fake wire notices to the local DA as well, but in lieu of it, this should suffice.

How was Jessica involved in fraud?

You have no evidence of that.

The story did not imply it either.

This is witch hunting.

At best a link to their website would have been enough if this really was about "doing future victims a favor"

Not linking employees that were really just a comical side to the story.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#180
post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*WrkRiot. 1forOne's twitter and facebook profiles are gone and WrkRiot matches the description perfectly (including the doggy avatar and a large number of Asian employees). It's actually dangerously obvious who some of the people mentioned in the story are, just from the descriptions. It might be a good idea to anonymize characters further by changing ethnicity/nationality and gender.

Why? Shouldn't we be encouraging people who out bad actors?

Probably for cya reasons, especially when filing for retaliation.
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