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Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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I find this response, and the suggestions, exemplifying why Kazakhstan justice (as expressed in the story, I don't know how it's in general) is superior to American justice. It's the ability to take the law and regulations lightly, when they're not that serious, and be humane about it. I mean writing: "YOU CHOSE to violate it", with added emphasis, as if having a visa expiring on the same day you leave a place (and l…

His visa expired the day before he left "the place". That his train would make it across the border in the wee hours of the morning is not legally relevant.

The whole point of this thread is that what's "legally relevant" is not always what's morally or humanely relevant.

That's a millennia old distinction people have made. It's difficult for the puritan mindset to parse, of course.

Sodomy (and being gay) was not that far ago persecuted (still is in the books in some states). Blacks where not allowed in the same establishment as whites.

Slavery was the law once. I wouldn't blame Southern border guards looking the other way when blacks crossed to the North. Even if they took a bride.

And let's not forget the "I was just following orders"/"the law at the time" excuse that tons of military trials clarified that it is not a valid excuse.

Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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All this does is provide random and selective justice for those who can pay the bribe. What about the visum expiring the day before you leave? Two days? The law has to draw a line somewhere. It is the obligation of the person to stay clear of that line. If the visum duration is too short, just make all visa valid for 16 days rather than 15 days, and then enforce that line equally for everybody. Once corruption has ta…

> visum Is this supposed to be some kind of faux-Latin plural? I defy you to find an English dictionary that contains this word.

It's a pretentious but arguably valid Latin singular.

"Arguably" because the word comes to English from French not straight from the Latin.

Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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Hopefully any higher up officials can recognize this just gave what is probably on average a fairly affluent tech class on HN a more positive outlook on Kazakhstan. Its positive advertising for the country to hear that you don't end up in a gulag for having your passport lapse.

From many stories of family and friends who live there, this is not only Kazakhstan. This is every Eastern European country.

Kazakhstan isn't even in Europe.

Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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Great story! 5 years ago we went on a Mongol Rally. Driving European vehicle through the Stans makes you easy prey for local policeman. My co-driver had a strategy of befriending them and sharing small gifts (pens, lighters etc.). Most expensive were Tajik GBAO guards, they got headlamps. During my shifts I had 2 encounters but played dumb, even though I'm native in similar language and could communicate. No bribes g…

Would love to read about your experience on the Mongol Rally!

Not the OP, but I did it a few years ago, it was amazing. Got away without any bribing too. I wrote a nearly complete blog...one day I'll write the last couple of entries.

http://settledforthis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/mongol-rally-1-...

Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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Hopefully any higher up officials can recognize this just gave what is probably on average a fairly affluent tech class on HN a more positive outlook on Kazakhstan. Its positive advertising for the country to hear that you don't end up in a gulag for having your passport lapse.

From many stories of family and friends who live there, this is not only Kazakhstan. This is every Eastern European country.

Well not quite. At least not those in the EU. It used to be like that in the 90s, but for locals, not for foreigners.

Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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But then he wouldn't have had a cool story to post on Medium. He wouldn't have gotten all this attention. Alternatively, one could argue that he took one for the team - he did something risky and stupid so he could find out what would happen, see if he could get out of it, and share the experience with those of us too responsible and sane to try it ourselves. Either way though your point stands. He clearly chose to p…

> He clearly chose to put himself in the situation he was in. The thing that always bothers me about that attitude is that it removes any and all responsibility from the people who make the situation within which the choice is made. It actually reminds me of basic Bayesian considerations: just as you can't know what a test means without knowing the false positive rate (and false negative, and true positive and negati…

I would say he did not create the conditions of the resulting situation, but he did absolutely create the situation.

He had the most control. He could have left earlier.

Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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From many stories of family and friends who live there, this is not only Kazakhstan. This is every Eastern European country.

Kazakhstan isn't even in Europe.

Technically part of Kazakhstan is in Europe

Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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I don't know even what to make of this... The preamble suggests that Kazakhstan justice was superior to American justice, but after reading the whole story I'm like... dude, grow a sense of self-responsibility. It's not like your visa expiring was a surprise... you knew exactly when it was going to happen, and YOU CHOSE to violate it without giving yourself any wiggle room. Then you willingly participated in a corrup…

I am gonna sound like the devil's advocate here, but I'd take the risk: He didn't intend to do anything malicious. He wasn't on drugs. Wasn't going to kill or rob anyone. He was maybe simply playing a mischievous kid, not a "bloody criminal". Are laws really meant to be taken so rigidly? Has he actually done anything immoral (except for the bribe part, which I also confidently despise of)? Laws are meant to help peop…

Think about it. There's an electronic system in place. So he's registered as a passenger and border control police closed their eyes on his visa. But system will generate a notification and this notification will cause an investigation: why exactly is border control police didn't do their job properly? Did they took a bribe? They'll have to fill a lot of papers just to stay in their work and it's possible that they will be fired anyway.

They have clear instructions so they must follow them. If they don't follow the instructions, they might get in trouble, because there are other people who control them. So they did what they have to do.

On the other side, court made a right decision and let him go without any penalties, because court have the authority to make those decisions.

So overall I'm proud of Kazakhstan officials and I think that they did their jobs properly (except for a bribe episode, it's a real shame).

Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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Being schizophrenic does not mean that the brain/mind is "AWOL". Schizophrenics endure experience like the rest of us. The idea that the insane have "no mind" is an old-fashioned, dehumanizing idea which should not be tolerated even on HN where everyone is of course young, healthy and overconfident. (!)

I was thinking about this just the other day, the term "demented" literally means "with mind removed".

Actually it means "out of one's mind"

Re: I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

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Yes I'm sure those in charge of Kazakhstan are just foaming at the mouth to win over the hipster web dev crowd. I think you're really overestimating your own importance.

Ahhhh from personal experience? They kinda sometimes are. (I know my situation was special/unique, but I don't know how special/unique). Whole country is really gung-ho about modernizing, and modern tech is a huge part of that.

Shame that they are still run pretty much by a dictator. At least the dictator is pro tech I guess.
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