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Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

Indeed.

I am not familiar with the technical details of XP, so these are mostly observations from a user and not developer perspective:

1. On my old Pentium 4 box with 256 MB of RAM any release after XP hardly met the OS requirements. Yes, hardware has come a long way since then, but IMHO there is no technical reason why a kernel with a bare bones desktop needs more than this amount. I never understood why Microsoft's recommendations for RAM went up to 1 GB and beyond. My pretty standard Arch Linux setup in 2016 does not take more than this right after boot.

2. XP had a rather long lifespan as an OS. It was only later that Microsoft got into the 2-4 year upgrade cycle, hoping customers would purchase a lot of the upgrades. What happened actually in many cases was a simple skip of alternate upgrades, concretely Vista and 8.

XP definitely had some pretty bad problems, like the fact that it was not really ready for the 64-bit era, manifested in things like the 2 GB limit on memory per process. I don't know about what they did with the 64 bit XP version; it looked a lot like a stop gap solution.

I used the EOL announced for Windows XP support as a nice excuse to get myself to use a GNU/Linux system. I have not looked back since then.

As an aside, there are still some holdouts of XP usage, such as some lab equipment software written many years back. In fact, Windows XP embedded was supported all the way till January 2016.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

#172

The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

> I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts I would be surprised to hear of Microsoft doing such a thing, and equally surprised to hear of a consumer OEM not doing it. Are you sure it was Microsoft and not the manufacturer?

Yes, Microsoft did. There are live tiles in the start menu that feature apps from the Microsoft app store. Of course, removing them from the start menu is as simple as right-clicking and selecting remove.

They don't really bother me enough to bother removing them but I can easily see how they'd be annoying to some.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

#173

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I choose from among the dozens of options, based on functionality and configurability. That's the degree of control that I've needed. Saying that "control" would require someone to read every line of source is a wonderful strawman. > In that case, maintainers have control. And if they change the software in a way that I dislike, I can fetch a previous version of the program and use it that way forever, or disable the…

> I can fetch a previous version of the program and use it that way forever Unless it is a web browser because modern frontend developers tend to make their web apps compatible only with the latest version of a browser they use on their Mac.

Point taken. Still, if it's important to me for something local, I've got the choice. It doesn't need to be useful with every program on my machine to be a useful capability to me.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

#174

The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

> I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts I would be surprised to hear of Microsoft doing such a thing, and equally surprised to hear of a consumer OEM not doing it. Are you sure it was Microsoft and not the manufacturer?

comment below by /u/userbinator https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11838209

+ another link: http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/92849-windows-10-anniver...

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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They already are, as you can see from the numerous articles here and elsewhere on the Internet, as well as my personal experience. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11167964 http://betanews.com/2015/10/15/microsoft-now-uses-windows-10... http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/30/windows-10-pa...

Wow. You now have to pay a monthly fee to avoid 30 second videos in Solitaire ! That's almost extortion. "It's a shame if something were to happen with all that time you got here."

There are adverts in some of the new gamemodes in the Windows 10 version of Solitaire, if you just play classic there arent any.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

#176

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'll most likely be downvoted for this, but whilst I sympathise with the plight of those being auto upgraded at inconvenience a small part of me thinks that those users who cannot be bothered to read the important OS information notices, are the ones who may need the upgrade the most. As parent (+1'ed) notes, the message itself is quite clear in its intent. I would not for a second think that closing the window would…

While security is a good goal, surely you can agree that they could have (and should have) rolled any major security updates into a small, free OS update for that purpose alone? They didn’t have to simultaneously revamp the entire UI, replace default programs with less-useful versions, etc.

True, I don't understand Windows enough to know whether all the changes in https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/whats-new/... could have been easily / practically done as a service pack* though.

Edit: *Especially for Windows 7.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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> Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) I disagree. Linux is great as a desktop system precisely because you're in control, not some third-party. And in terms of desktop functionality there is no meaningful difference anymore.

But the drivers problem isn't really behind them. I just purchased a lenovo laptop after reading similar comments noting the progress of linux desktop, and can't get the laptop to connect to an external monitor, despite the device being on ubuntu's certified list.

I'm 100% positive that for every single instance of Linux having some driver issue, I can find 10 times the amount of issues on Windows through a simple google search.

Multi-monitor setups not working on windows 10:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1255544-windows-10-10074-n...

answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-start/win-10-wont-recognize-multiple-monitors/fb5c5f33-b9e7-4158-ab82-833a9595e466

https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/windows-10-do...

http://superuser.com/questions/947819/multiple-monitors-brok...

So yeah we can go on all day about the driver issues in Linux or we can go on all decade about the driver problems on Windows.

I my self bought a brand new laptop from dell with Windows 10, the laptop would not wake from sleep the first time I opened the lid, I had to close it again and re-open it every time. When it did wake up the wifi wouldn't work.

Driver issues are a common occurrence on Windows and in my experience more common on Windows than Linux.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

#178

The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

I was quite disgusted when I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts Maybe they got the idea from Ubuntu's funneling local search queries to online search engines?

Trying to equate Canonical and MS is desperate. Microsoft is undeniably worse. And Will Microsoft remove the ads? Of course not. When windows 10 first came out the only way to remove candy crush was with power shell.

http://superuser.com/questions/958562/how-do-i-remove-candy-...

You will jump through these hoops every upgrade unless you go through and disable certain updates, which you will need to keep up with for the rest of your life.

You now have to pay a monthly fee to avoid 30 second videos in Solitaire.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

#179
Can we get this changed to the original source? Not only does the Softpedia article not add anything substantial to the original source, it's also factually inaccurate. Windows 10 wasn't installed on any of their computers, the issue was just that it racked up a huge telecom bill for caching the installer. It also didn't impede any operations or disable any computer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_i...

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

#180
post #179

Can we get this changed to the original source? Not only does the Softpedia article not add anything substantial to the original source, it's also factually inaccurate. Windows 10 wasn't installed on any of their computers, the issue was just that it racked up a huge telecom bill for caching the installer. It also didn't impede any operations or disable any computer. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdo…

Yeah, but chewing up that bandwidth, surely it took forever and it must have slowed down some critical network functions!
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