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Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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Wait a minute. Gawker is no righteous hero here. Let's see if I understand correctly. Gawker outs Thiel (which is nobody's business, yet Gawker decided to make it people's business). Gawker at some point later posts an illegal SEX tape (again, nobody's business). Now, we're supposed to feel sorry for Gawker because Thiel wants to help out another person who was WRONGED by Gawker? Wow. Just wow.

I don't feel bad for Gawker at all. I do, however, feel concerned that a rich person like Thiel can buy litigation. That's a highly dangerous capability. He's using that power for good in this case, but I doubt he always will.

> I do, however, feel concerned that a rich person like Thiel can buy litigation.

What about when rich people fund the ACLU or EFF in order to support a lawsuit by those organizations?

Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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Who said deference to those in power? I would hope a free press has the respect not to invade the privacy of private citizens. Do you honestly think the videotape of the sexual exploits of a private citizen is somehow worthy of protection under freedom of the press? Not to mention the tape was illegally procured and Gawker continued to act in flagrant violation of the court ordered redactions. You hear deference and…

How can you be Team Thiel and have these opinions when Thiel financially supported the person who made the acorn videos? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe

Source for Thiel's involvement? Cannot find any reference to Thiel in the associated articles.

A better question might be, if you are against Thiel in the matter of Hogan v Gawker; what thinking has led you to a defence of the Gawker behaviour?

Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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The fact that Gawker sucks is not a matter of debate, and it was not the topic of the article. The fact that you, without irony, see fit to compare Thiel's actions to those of the EFF proves the relevance of the article.

Do you have anything other than ad hominem argument? I fail to see myself as well the irony in the comparison, does it mean that I am stupid?

Let me rephrase: the fact that the top comment on this thread fails to see irony in analogizing Thiel to EFF is proof of the relevance of the article.

Just because EFF and Thiel share one superficial similarity it does not make what they do categorically similar. The comparison is absurd.

Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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"Hundreds of millions" The quoted number is 10 million http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/business/dealbook/peter...

Thanks for that, not sure where I got the extra multiple of ten from when I'm looking right at articles on this whole story.

I think they are being sued for hundreds of millions.

Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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> Litigation finance is typically a business venture. It doesn’t become charity because a wealthy person uses it as a template for a personal crusade and then insists he’s doing everyone else a favor. Why? Many cases brought by individuals or groups on moral grounds have led the way to better governance. A lot of good work has been done by groups such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Why should individuals or g…

Precisely the issue is that equality under law is farcical these days. When you have to have tons of money or know lawyers/judges to get any kind of legal projection or justice, the Constitutional principles of the fourteenth amendment are being undermined. Lawyers and judges benefit and perpetuate it, an increasingly militarized police force profits and pushes it, along with their municipalities.

I just wish people would remember the Constitution every god-damn once in a while, especially seing as almost all of them swore oaths that they are then breaking.

Can anyone tell me what the legal punishment/repercussion for breaking the oath of office is?

"The powers of the States in dealing with crime within their borders are not limited, but no State can deprive particular persons or classes of persons of equal and impartial justice under the law."... as long as you have money to feed the fucked up system.

What this is really about is class warfare, and the rich are winning. Also, the bankers have always been the real robber barons, so I don't like this halfassed attempt at claiming a few tech billionares are even close to comparable in power level.

Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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Gawker Media is a Cayman Island corporation founded by a foreign national. It does not engage in journalism. It is a blog designed to shift the Overton Window for Jon Stewart's fanbase into normalizing extreme political agendas. Are there any cases that show foreign companies that exist 100% as a tax shelter, founded by a foreign national, have first amendment rights?

>It is a blog designed to shift the Overton Window for Jon Stewart's fanbase into normalizing extreme political agendas. Like Jezebel being pro-feminism. What an extreme political agenda!

Only privileged white people think Jezebel represents feminism. Let me know when they give full-time coverage of the challenges of poverty that routinely face WoC instead of hyperventilating about how sexist a handful of pixels are.

Or are feminists only those who have minable consumer behavior?

Looks like the Overton window shifting worked on you.

Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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To me it would only be scary if a media company was taken down by a rich entity simply litigating them until they couldn't afford to fight the lawsuits anymore. In this case, Gawker lost because they were in the wrong. A media company operating with integrity has nothing to fear here.

To me it would only be scary if a media company was taken down by a rich entity simply litigating them until they couldn't afford to fight the lawsuits anymore. In this case, Gawker lost because they were in the wrong. I've read exactly two articles re: Thiel vs. Gawker, but....isn't that exactly what's happening? I don't see Gawker's "wrongness" as entirely relevant to the fact that Thiel is ostensibly subsidizing l…

I don't see Gawker's "wrongness" as entirely relevant...

It is 100% about the wrongness. If they weren't wrong, they would not have been sentenced to pay $140M.

Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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There is a difference between winning a lawsuit to right a wrong and then to go further and actually try to take down a paper. Whatever Gawker did to Theil it's not worth doing what he is doing but thats up to him. The problem though is that as extreme wealth gets put into fewer hands it allow them to basically bleed anything skeptical to this out. Furthermore and as a sidenote. I find it ironic that Theil of all peo…

> I find it ironic that Theil of all people, a libertarian who claims we more or less don't need government end up kind of illustrating exactly why we do. I also find his actions ironic, but maybe for the opposite reason. In funding this lawsuit, Thiel appears to be funding the initiation of force -- bringing the power of government to bear against a private organization which hasn't used force or the threat of force…

the "off what we need" comment has to be understood in the context of wealth moving towards the ultra rich.

What then is left in a ancap/libertarian society to defend those who aren't wealthy?

The whole base of a democratic government, for all it's flaws, is to provide rights to the individual regardless of heir wealth and to defend those on your behalf.

Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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>I don't see Gawker's "wrongness" as entirely relevant to the fact that Thiel is ostensibly subsidizing litigation... It is directly related...If Gawker was not guilty of committing a tort that resulted in actual damages, then Thiel or anyone else would not be financing litigation against Gawker. >Thiel is ostensibly subsidizing litigation in the hundreds of millions of dollars-just to see Gawker go away. Who gives a…

>Who gives a shit and why? You know, I'll never understand the immediate and swift "who cares" response when people are discussing a subject as some sort of "Excuse me but...". If there's a disagreement you wish to voice, voice it-let's not act like people aren't interested in it because of your disagreement. And as I've said, I've only read two articles on this whole thing and the entire ordeal seems sordid to me. I…

>You know, I'll never understand the immediate and swift "who cares" response when people are discussing a subject as some sort of "Excuse me but...". If there's a disagreement you wish to voice, voice it-let's not act like people aren't interested in it because of your disagreement.

Sorry Dave, not how I meant it. You stated a fact (Thiel spent a lot of money on the litigation), so its not like I disagree. And my "Who gives a shit", is not a dismissive "who cares", but an honest probing question: who is behind raising Thiel's financing as an issue. I back it up with legitimate instances of litigation financing no one else would care about (credit cards, loans, family, etc...). In other words the forces behind these disparaging articles about the concept of litigation financing is the result of the very same backroom deals and undue influence that is raised by the articles themselves (its pretty brilliant really). Yes, that last part is pure opinion.

Further, I highlighted the actual legal mechanisms Gawker had to mitigate its legal costs. This is mostly because I think a major argument against Thiel financing is that he unnecessarily bleed Gawker, the counter is they bleed themselves by not settling.

>with the intent to win not on the merits of the case but by exhausting legal resources of their legal opponent.

9 out of 10 cases settle, this case actually went to a judgment at trial, that is the very definition of winning a case on the merits. Its almost insanity that Gawker didn't settle it knowing they would be hit with punitive damages is found liable. Not to say you are part of the HN status quo, but HN takes a strong stance against settlements/pleas and this case epitomizes the concept of winning/losing on the merits. (For the record I am a strong advocate of both settlement and pleas)

Re: Thiel shows why tech billionaires are the new robber barons

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The problem is more the reverse scenario. EG: A more legitimate media outlet runs some investigative reporting that exposes legitimate wrongdoing of company run by billionaire. Billionaire responds by funding tons of frivolous lawsuits in attempt to bankrupt / silence the media outlet. The way the justice system in too many countries works these days, it's possible that if the outlet doesn't have deep pockets, they'r…

Thiel didn't fund tons of frivolous lawsuits (nor did the SPLC). Thiel and SPLC both funded solid lawsuits where the verdict - not litigation costs - is what bankrupts the other party. (A lawsuit is by definition not frivolous if you win.)

"Mr. Thiel was covertly backing Mr. Bollea’s case as well as others"[1]. I don't know how much it's tons, but certainly not only one, and so far seems like the only non-frivolous by that definition.

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/business/dealbook/peter-th...

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