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Re: TTIP Leaks

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switch007 wrote: post #115
JPKab wrote: post #102

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"So this is really lots of big US companies negotiating with themselves on how to screw over Europe." Let me change this for you to something more accurate: So this is really lots of big multinational corporations negotiating with themselves on how to screw over working people throughout the world. When you start tuning this into "US companies screwing over Europe", you play right into their hands. As if there aren't…

Every internal combustion engine in history has and will spew poison in to the air. You just thought it was slightly less than it actually was.

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Re: TTIP Leaks

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Post by jethro_tell »

vasilipupkin wrote: post #161
jethro_tell wrote: post #140

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The most likely outcome of this is that exports are sold at the price they are at now, not cheaper. The workers are paid the same as they are now, (which is the market rate). And the difference in what's normal and cost savings from TTIP will go to company bottom line. And the top officers at the company will collect a performance bonus. The unlikely scenario is that the price comes down and more units are sold and/o…

And the company and the executives pay taxes from the bottom line Thus, according to your own logic, the state, which pays social security and benefits is better off and is more fiscally sound

I don't think the goal is getting more money into the coffers of the state. But, if that's a big win for you I guess it makes sense.

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Post by tazjin »

mod wrote: post #158
tazjin wrote: post #120

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Trump and Clinton are the only remaining candidates, and Clinton is flip-flopping on the issue depending on who she's talking to. She only recently did an anti-TPP U-turn - who knows what she stands for after being elected. Fortunately for us she won't be elected though!

If you believe that, you should probably bet against her. The oddmakers have her as a pretty significant favorite right now.

Ah yes, do you remember when Jeb! Bush was going to be the Republican nominee? Everyone was very certain about it.

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Post by switch007 »

PantaloonFlames wrote: post #154
switch007 wrote: post #115

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Every internal combustion engine in history has and will spew poison in to the air. You just thought it was slightly less than it actually was.

> you just thought it was slightly less than it actually was. (where "slightly" = 40x)

Thanks. This site seems to indicate it was "up to" "nearly" 40x.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/business/internation...

An EU perspective (and EU rules) http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/21/all-top-sell... has results no where near 40x.

None of that of course is "slightly less", but that wasn't my point.

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Post by vasilipupkin »

jethro_tell wrote: post #172
vasilipupkin wrote: post #161

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And the company and the executives pay taxes from the bottom line Thus, according to your own logic, the state, which pays social security and benefits is better off and is more fiscally sound

I don't think the goal is getting more money into the coffers of the state. But, if that's a big win for you I guess it makes sense.

Well, in Germany people get pensions and benefits from the state. So, if your goal is to not have to reduce those, then yes, getting money into the coffers of the state is partially the goal

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Post by morsch »

vasilipupkin wrote: post #136
maxxxxx wrote: post #119

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I know Germany benefits big time from exports. But the benefits have stopped going to the workers. Like in the US wages are stagnating while the "economy" supposedly is doing well.

Really? How do you think Germany gets resources to pay for all the social benefits, pensions etc. if you think growth has stopped, then measures to raise it are a good thing

Growth has continued, net real wages haven't[0]. Although this seems to be changing[1].

[0] http://www.diw.de/sixcms/detail.php?id=diw_01.c.342374.de

[1] http://www.dw.com/en/germans-enjoy-highest-real-wage-rise-in...

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Post by Joeri »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #61
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #50

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I am and I'm disgusted that the only two people we deem worthy of putting to the forefront for our forthcoming election are Trump and Clinton. Prepare for the Bill of Rights to be eroded further when either of these two idiots are elected.

I am a life time democrat but I actually find Hiliary Clinton to be even worse than Donald Trump. I base that on what I perceive as the chances of either getting us into a large war.

The US has such a large military budget that it acts like a war magnet. If there isn't a war once a decade there could be talk of reducing spending which would be harmful to all those special interests funding campaigns. So, basically an anti-war candidate is unelectable because they wouldn't get big money behind them. There are always anti-war candidates at the start, but they never make it to the final two because you need the right funding mix to get there.

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Post by soperj »

tacos wrote: post #159
soperj wrote: post #144

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Honestly, where has it made life possible where it was not? Most places have been inhabited for eons, or settled before the invention of the internal combustion engine.

Honestly, please report back with a plan that gets the USA from 30 million people in 1860 to 300+ million people today without using the internal combustion engine.

Yes, I was talking about that. But if you want an answer, many of the first cars were electric, if they went with the electric engine instead things wouldn't be exactly the same, but would have allowed the US to increase to 300+ million no problem.

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Post by kps »

Grishnakh wrote: post #143
cookiecaper wrote: post #100

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It's very common in the US. Present to a medical professional with a bit of lethargy and doubt or confusion over the general direction of your life and these medications seem to be prescribed almost immediately. It's almost like they don't want people to analyze their lives and address their issues such that their life is bearable without the aid of pharmaceuticals.

Or maybe they'd prefer to make this option readily available to you so that you'll use these pharmaceuticals which have relatively minor side-effects, rather than you "self medicating" with alcohol or illegal narcotics as people generally did in the past (and still do today). You tell me, which is better for someone under a lot of stress in life: should they take a Xanax one or two times a day, or should they drink t…

The US has a very strong puritan streak that says suffering is generally the result of personal moral failure, good for people, and it's wrong to make it ‘too easy’ to alleviate.

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Post by mSparks »

vasilipupkin wrote: post #137
gech wrote: post #124

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" should make regular Germans better off " Please define a metric that we can use to establish this.

gdp per capita growth as well as sustainable financial situation so that German state can meet its social obligations without a fiscal crisis like in Greece

I live (now) in a country with a GDP per capita an order of magnitude less than the US.

Having just come come back from the US. I can say without doubt.

There is much less poverty here. The average citizens quality of life here is an order of magnitude better than the us.

Funnily enough. Money isn't everything. Stuff like personal freedoms. Social interaction. Inequity are much more important IMHO.

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