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The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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I tried stevia for a while. It doesn't come even close to sugar's flavor and eventually I just gave it up.

It absolutely does not have the same flavor, no artificial sweetener does. But if you decide to not have sugar, you can grow to enjoy it in a different way. For me, for example, regular Coca-Cola is just non-existant in my world at this point. I drink Coke Zero, and I like it. I'm sure the sugar full version tastes better, but I've decided that's just not an option for me.

> I drink Coke Zero, and I like it. I'm sure the sugar full version tastes better, but I've decided that's just not an option for me.

My wife thinks I'm weird, but I hate the taste of regular Coca-Cola. I much prefer Diet Coke.

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As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

Same here. I lost 75 pounds on the keto diet. It's not so much a diet for me anymore, it's just how I eat. I wrote about my experience here: https://thedon.me/2015/10/07/i-lost-63-pounds-heres-how/

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I would suggest reading "Fat Chance: Beating the Odds Against Sugar, Processed Food, Obesity, and Disease" by Robert Lustig. He goes into the science behind sugary diets and why they are truly so addicting. I'm talking about, more addicting than cocaine.

> I'm talking about, more addicting than cocaine. Really? I'm on diet for Candida and sugars are a no-no. And the worst part was a week of headaches (that was in part caffeine induced). I haven't tried cocaine, but I imagine cocaine has more side effects than just that.

Don't confuse addiction with withdrawal.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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I'm sorry for being the one breaking it to you, but I think you may, unfortunately, be wrong. :)

care to elaborate? open to being wrong, but also want to see who says so and why

> my understanding was that ultimately whatever macromolecules you are consuming, lipids, proteins, or carbohydrates all only get absorbed into the blood stream as glucose

Amino acids, glucose and fatty acids are all ancient molecular structures known to all cellular life and thus can and do circulate in our blood at all times. If everything got converted into glucose during digestion, that would mean we could live entirely off candy fortified with vitamins and minerals, and produce all essential fatty acids and all essential amino acids from the glucose. Not so.

PROTEINS provide amino acids, basic building blocks for near everything organic about our body (or all cellular life-forms really), not just muscles but hormones neurons etc etc. The body may convert protein into glucose but this laborious process occurs to any significant degree mostly under a prolonged lo-fat-lo-carb-hi-protein regimen or plain starvation conditions (ie post-fasting, not just normal fasting with plenty of fat reserves left, which is simply ketosis, hence protein-sparing and fat+ketone-burning). If so, this doesn't occur in the digestive tract, since glucose production (or provision from glycogen) is the job of the liver.

LIPIDS aren't and cannot be converted to glucose in the digestive tract, or we wouldn't store body fat to begin with and also have essential fatty acids circulating at all times now, would we? BUT 2 triglycerides CAN donate their glycerol backbones for the production of 1 glucose molecule, and I believe this is constantly happening in ketosis when glycogen is depleted. Again, glucose production/provisioning is a liver job, not a digestive tract job.

CARBohydrates of most any kind ARE converted to glucose in the digestive tract. Exceptions: fiber travels on to the colon for excretion or to be fermented by bacterial action (into I believe short-chain fatty acids and B/K vitamins) and fructose is "metabolized" into triglycerides by the liver. Since the blood needs a certain glucose level at all times (around 5g-ish), circulating glucose in excess is immediately shuttled into first: any cells that are receptive to the concurrent insulin signaling, second: glycogen storage (liver and muscles), third as a last resort converted into body fat.

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It absolutely does not have the same flavor, no artificial sweetener does. But if you decide to not have sugar, you can grow to enjoy it in a different way. For me, for example, regular Coca-Cola is just non-existant in my world at this point. I drink Coke Zero, and I like it. I'm sure the sugar full version tastes better, but I've decided that's just not an option for me.

> I drink Coke Zero, and I like it. I'm sure the sugar full version tastes better, but I've decided that's just not an option for me. My wife thinks I'm weird, but I hate the taste of regular Coca-Cola. I much prefer Diet Coke.

Well, the formula of Diet Coke was originally developed to attract people who preferred Pepsi over Coke, so that isn't really surprising. Led to the whole "new Coke" fiasco, though.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

> As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition.

It should be noted that the important thing here was probably shifting away from sugar, rather than shifting toward high fat. For example...

> I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet

I've lost 86 pounds (39 kg) in the last 217 days (594 milliyears). The only thing I really purposefully changed initially was trying to keep daily calories from carbohydrates at under 40% of my total calories. I also tried to keep fat under 50%.

As a side effect, I found myself satisfied with fewer calories, and so the weight started coming off.

I mostly did this by making sure each individual food I ate was within my overall carb and fat limits. If I wanted something that was outside the range, I'd try to balance it out with other things in the same meal so that the meal as a whole would be within the limits. For the last meal or snack of the day that was relaxed and the requirement was just that the day as a whole be within limits.

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I wonder if it's because you've been consuming too much protein, and not enough fat.

Possibly, I went pretty far over to the protein side. I only consumed a tiny bit of fat at lunch and the rest at dinner. Breakfast was pure protein until the end when I added a yogurt to breakfast.

Sounds like you accidentally embarked on a high-protein diet instead of a ketogenic diet, which is defined as "high fat, very low carb, moderate/sufficient protein".

High-protein diets (ie over 50% of kcals from protein) are neither healthy nor sustainable over more than 1-3 weeks.

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How expensive is it? I mean literally. A lot of these alternative diets seem to work but be far more expensive than eating crap, unless all you eat are veggies (which few like).

I found that low-carb diets are way cheaper. There are two factors behind this (in my experience): 1) You eat way, way, way, way less food. I was intensely into keto at probably peak-appetite years (16 - 19 years old) and have since been maintaining a much lower basal carb intake (now 21 years old). A complete dinner used to be large pasta dishes with sausage, garlic bread, a few glasses of milk (I used to be a fanat…

> I do have a hard time with vegetables because I don't shop often enough for them not to go to waste, but I'll usually handle that with a salad for lunch.

Have you tried frozen vegetables? Some of the "steam in bag" kind that are meant for the microwave actually come out quite tasty and are very convenient.

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> I'm talking about, more addicting than cocaine. Really? I'm on diet for Candida and sugars are a no-no. And the worst part was a week of headaches (that was in part caffeine induced). I haven't tried cocaine, but I imagine cocaine has more side effects than just that.

Don't confuse addiction with withdrawal.

You do have a point, but saying addiction is worse than cocaine implies it disrupts normal life in greater extent.

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I found that low-carb diets are way cheaper. There are two factors behind this (in my experience): 1) You eat way, way, way, way less food. I was intensely into keto at probably peak-appetite years (16 - 19 years old) and have since been maintaining a much lower basal carb intake (now 21 years old). A complete dinner used to be large pasta dishes with sausage, garlic bread, a few glasses of milk (I used to be a fanat…

> I do have a hard time with vegetables because I don't shop often enough for them not to go to waste, but I'll usually handle that with a salad for lunch. Have you tried frozen vegetables? Some of the "steam in bag" kind that are meant for the microwave actually come out quite tasty and are very convenient.

I have! Every once in a while I'll grab a few bags and they aren't nearly as bad as I had assumed. But then I kind of skip that aisle (w/ frozen dinner and ice cream where I am) altogether and forget that they're an option...

I oughta get back to 'em.

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