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Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by mikegioia »

deadcast wrote: post #169
mikegioia wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just out of curiosity, what dev work can't you do on Linux? I usually only hear that case for games or graphic/video editing.

Haha actually that is the case! I need to use Unity and the latest Linux build[1] doesn't yet have all of the features like in the latest version 5.3.3 for Windows/OSX. It's still experimental but now that I think of it... I might not need all of the features in the latest release, hmmm. Also I need Remote Desktop Connection to do some contract work. I know other non-Windows remote desktop applications exist but I'm…

Haha, sorry about that. I forgot about game dev :O

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by xpaulbettsx »

As the lead developer of the Slack Windows app, this move is absolutely phenomenal for me. Win7 is a huge proportion of our support tickets and causes us no end of grief.

To put what these Windows users are doing in perspective, Windows users are holding onto an OS that was released at the same time as OS X 10.6, and not only doing it, but demanding that developers support this version. If you asked any Cocoa developer to support Snow Leopard, they'd laugh you out of the room.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by wfo »

totony wrote: post #28
mchahn wrote: post #6

Wouldn't the automatic upgrade mean you didn't agree to any T&C?

I had a client to whom this happened, they install W10 and THEN ask you if you agree. He said no, they uninstalled w10 back to w7 and he can't login anymore.

It force-upgraded me and I declined the terms when it finally booted up, it rebooted and went back to W7 luckily working correctly but with un-closable popups everywhere demanding I either install W10 now or schedule an update within a week or so.

Microsoft has taken to installing malware on our machines using their update mechanism and signing keys; I'd delete their cert if it were feasible. I think the CFAA is broad enough to make this a felony if this has bricked machines/destroyed data (apparently it has), it certainly should be illegal. If I were running the machine in a medical system someone could have died.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by zanny »

robertelder wrote: post #59

Re-posting my comment from the other thread which didn't get as much attention: I spent about 3 hours this week doing tech support for my mom over the phone because of Windows 10's aggressive upgrading behaviour. I told her to keep her the best way to keep safe security wise is to make sure the os/browser is up to date, and because Windows 10 keeps asking to upgrade, she went ahead and did so. After upgrading to Wind…

Just anecdotally : I have my grandmother, brother, and his mother on Kubuntu, and my mother on Lubuntu. So far, the most updates anyone has gone through is 3 (my mother went from 10.04 to 12.04 to 14.04 and soon 16.04) and we have never had an issue. Oh, and you get to chose when to do the upgrades rather than having them backdoored on you.

Desktop Linux works fine for regular people. They aren't going to go digging in the terminal to brick their own computer. Show them the software center and that their app store uses things online called apt links and anyone with a smartphone understands it fine.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by vibrolax »

robertelder wrote: post #75
robertelder wrote: post #59

Re-posting my comment from the other thread which didn't get as much attention: I spent about 3 hours this week doing tech support for my mom over the phone because of Windows 10's aggressive upgrading behaviour. I told her to keep her the best way to keep safe security wise is to make sure the os/browser is up to date, and because Windows 10 keeps asking to upgrade, she went ahead and did so. After upgrading to Wind…

On that topic, she just said that she has spent that past 2 days trying to get wifi to work. Does anyone here have suggestions for fixing/debugging this? I haven't used windows in quite a while, so my approach is just to go into device manager and try to click on 'update driver', find and diagnose problems etc. Tried deleting and re-creating the wifi connection, re-entering the password. The wifi connection appears,…

My fiancee (at her daughter's recommendation) allowed the Windows 10 upgrade to proceed on her Lenovo T530. It suffered the same Wifi symptoms you reported. We followed the same course of action to repair the problem, to no avail. Reverted to Windows 7 using the Windows 10 downgrade procedure, but the Wifi still failed to work properly. We successfully restored Windows 7 from a recent image backup.

I've had no problems performing Windows 10 clean installs on several machines, but have been far too skeptical to believe Microsoft could pull off a mass upgrade of the Windows 7/8 installed base.

I wonder what upgrade failure rate they deemed acceptable during their deployment testing?

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by CamperBob2 »

deelowe wrote: post #4

uhh. Could this not set them up for a lawsuit? I mean, I assume and argument could be made that there's some liability involved in MS screws up the installation or if some program fails to continue to function. This should be fun to watch.

They will have done a good job covering themselves against class-action lawsuits with the arbitration clauses in the EULA. But one area where I imagine they're vulnerable is when an individual user who was force-fed Windows 10 loses access to some important third-party software or hardware that for whatever reason doesn't work with 10.

Imagine being Stephen Hawking. You wake up one morning to find you've been "upgraded" to Windows 10, and your assistive speech hardware no longer works. That will blow away anything in the EULA, as far as any judge is concerned.

The degree of irresponsibility required to pull something like this is simply staggering.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by sveiss »

Someone1234 wrote: post #22
hayksaakian wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dark patterns http://darkpatterns.org "I clicked 'update security' and it gave me Windows 10!"

Microsoft did bundle the IE banner upgrade advertiser with security updates recently, and that was uncool/unacceptable. But I've never seen an update security button that actually INSTALLS Windows 10, and that is specifically what this complaint is about, the upgrade starting on its own. As I said if there is a bug that causes upgrades to occur without permission then people need to provide production steps. If there…

The IE security upgrade with the Windows 10 ads went out in the same push that seems to have turned on more aggressive auto-upgrade behaviour, so lots of people -- including media -- are conflating the two.

I wonder how many people are going to disable future security updates thanks to the media coverage?

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by ajonit »

robertelder wrote: post #75
robertelder wrote: post #59

Re-posting my comment from the other thread which didn't get as much attention: I spent about 3 hours this week doing tech support for my mom over the phone because of Windows 10's aggressive upgrading behaviour. I told her to keep her the best way to keep safe security wise is to make sure the os/browser is up to date, and because Windows 10 keeps asking to upgrade, she went ahead and did so. After upgrading to Wind…

On that topic, she just said that she has spent that past 2 days trying to get wifi to work. Does anyone here have suggestions for fixing/debugging this? I haven't used windows in quite a while, so my approach is just to go into device manager and try to click on 'update driver', find and diagnose problems etc. Tried deleting and re-creating the wifi connection, re-entering the password. The wifi connection appears,…

I faced an issue on my new Asus laptop Atheros wifi adapter. Changing the channel from 11 to Auto on my roouter did the trick and things are fine since then.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by CoffeeDregs »

robertelder wrote: post #59

Re-posting my comment from the other thread which didn't get as much attention: I spent about 3 hours this week doing tech support for my mom over the phone because of Windows 10's aggressive upgrading behaviour. I told her to keep her the best way to keep safe security wise is to make sure the os/browser is up to date, and because Windows 10 keeps asking to upgrade, she went ahead and did so. After upgrading to Wind…

Drive-by-upgrade... Happened to my wife's Windows 8 computer late last week with no warning. She was puzzled to wake up to a computer that had been upgraded without asking her. Then she couldn't use our home printer. So she went to work to print something. But then she couldn't use the work WiFi.

I know that her Windows 10 experience will be better than her terrible Windows 8 experience, but this seems clearly to be a maneuver to minimize the Software Support Reserve line on the Income Statement.

I'm all for upgrading users from a crappy Windows 8 to a nice Windows 10. That said, my wife is a reasonably sophisticated user and she didn't notice any significant notification before her computer was upgraded.

[... And, when I talked with her about the upgrade, she mentioned that she was now getting toolbar pop-ups asking her "How likely are you to recommend Windows to a friend?" WTF.]

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by kefka »

deciplex wrote: post #167
edwhitesell wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've actually had the "opposite" problem. Ever since Win10 came out, my Win7 machine doesn't bother announcing when updates are available. I have to remember to install them myself ever "patch Tuesday". I also had this issue until I sat down and figured out how to make Windows Update stop forcing Windows 10 on me. Basically, you need to remove KB3035583, hide it from updates AND uncheck the box to "give me recommen…

That will work until they make KB3035583 "Important" again. Basically, the way they're going, it's only a matter of time before Win 7 & 8 basically don't work anymore.

Eh. I just turn updates off. It solves the issue sufficiently.
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