On the flagship iPad Pro with Logitech keyboard and IPSEC pre-shared-key VPN: iOS Logitech VPN 9.1 OK OK 9.2 Fail [1] OK 9.3 Beta 2 OK Fail [2] Meanwhile, iOS 9.3 beta is slower than iOS 9.2, especially on older devices, http://www.cultofmac.com/406805/caveat-emptor-ios-9-3-beta-1... [1] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7372797?start=0 [2] https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/30939
Apple’s declining software quality
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Re: Apple’s declining software quality
#172The decline seems real to me. A shortlist of things I've noticed: * Spotlight no longer finds things as easily. I used to use it for everything. Since updating to El Capitan, it has missed some exact match folders. Planning to switch to Alfred. * iWork was gutted in '13. People used to use Pages professionally. I'm now using Pages '09, and planning to transition to Word or Latex. I tested Pages '13 intensively, and i…
Agree on all the items. Not just Apple, I see similar issues with Google. Google's Youtube IOS app has issue playing video correctly. It can't even buffer the segments correctly. Google latest Android Map crashes all the times 1-2 minutes into the navigation, extremely dangerous when I have to restart the navigate while driving. I can't depend on it at all. I have to roll back to the default factory install older ver…
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#173Spotlight: This has become extremely unreliable (and ridiculously slow) for me. More often than not, it won;t return results, except for an icon for the topmost result which flashes in the search bar for an instant after I hit a key. If I hit enter while that icon is visible, spotlight will open the app/document.
Data Detectors: What happened to these? I used to love them, but they never seem to work correctly for me anymore.
Safari Autofill: Why can't Safari simply autofill my email address like it used to? Why does it have to show me the opaque contact box, where I'm not sure which email it will autofill for me.
Time Machine: Hasn't worked for me in years.
Calendar: I was a ridiculously heavy user of iCal in the mid to late 2000s. Can't use it anymore. I'm not sure what specifically went wrong with it (just seems a lot more clunky). It used to be far more keyboard friendly (I liked Apple Mac apps when every app had a default layout with the side bar, that showed my organization hierarchy at a glance.)
Contacts: To be fair, this (and Address Book) has always been an unholy skeumorphic mess.
Expose: After years of making Expose unusable, starting with Lion, it's actually back to being pretty good now (now that it works closer to what it did in Tiger).
Dashboard: I was one of the few that actually used dashboard. I wish Apple would just kill it instead of what they are doing to it right now.
Dock: I think the Dock has gotten much better over the years, but I think the Windows start bar is superior at the moment.
Force Quit: Why don't my apps force quit like they used to? Force quit used to be extremely reliable, but now it doesn't seem to actually do a force quit at all.
iWork: Haven't dared to go back to iWork since the refresh. Pre-refresh I loved Pages and Keynote. I happened to use Keynote to present a ppt a year ago, and while the conversion was pretty good, the presenter mode was extremely gimped and uncustomizable. I may be misremembering, but I think it used to be far more customizable in terms of being able to pick the info to display on the presenter screen, etc. Numbers was always terrible, so I'm not even considering that.
iTunes: Do I really need to say anything?
QT Player: I think it's improved, but I'd switched to VLC way back.
Quick Look: The switch in the QT engine means the vast majority of my videos don't quick look any more (I think it was Perian that made them work). Maybe I need to search the net again, to see if there are more plugins for this.
Finder: Still as clumsy as ever for file management, but seems to be better at parallelizing tasks. However, file/folder metadata takes way too long to load. It used to be a lot better (I remember I used to have the inspector window in always open mode. I wouldn't dare to do that anymore).
Bah, that was way too long...once I started, couldn't stop, and I can probably go on for much longer. (I'm one of those guys whose 2nd favorite part about an OSX release, after the Siracusa review, would be the Macrumors "Little things" thread).
Re: Apple’s declining software quality
#174On the flagship iPad Pro with Logitech keyboard and IPSEC pre-shared-key VPN: iOS Logitech VPN 9.1 OK OK 9.2 Fail [1] OK 9.3 Beta 2 OK Fail [2] Meanwhile, iOS 9.3 beta is slower than iOS 9.2, especially on older devices, http://www.cultofmac.com/406805/caveat-emptor-ios-9-3-beta-1... [1] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7372797?start=0 [2] https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/30939
I think we can take that as evidence that regression testing is hard.
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#175There's just no way in hell Steve Jobs would be putting up with this and I wish he was alive to tear some people a new one. I didn't like Jobs but respect his ability to achieve things. Perhaps, the years of oversimplifying applications has created an Apple that can't handle complex applications? Or, there's a chicken and egg question: XCode and the surrounding tools are atrociously buggy and hostile to the developer…
> There's just no way in hell Steve Jobs would be putting up with this Maybe. I felt like the quality started going downhill shortly after iOS came out, starting with low-level APIs, then xcode, then making it into user-level applications. My theory is that a lot of the really experienced engineers (the one who started with NEXT and OpenStep) left when they were rich after the iPhone stock jump. So really there is no…
I simply think the attempts to build stuff in common with iOS is taking its toll.
Re: Apple’s declining software quality
#176The decline seems real to me. A shortlist of things I've noticed: * Spotlight no longer finds things as easily. I used to use it for everything. Since updating to El Capitan, it has missed some exact match folders. Planning to switch to Alfred. * iWork was gutted in '13. People used to use Pages professionally. I'm now using Pages '09, and planning to transition to Word or Latex. I tested Pages '13 intensively, and i…
* Start by use/create a full functional regression system.
* It is not that hard to create system level functional test coverage for wifi, Siri, search, etc.
* Require ALL SW developers to run full tests every evening, weekend.
Code are not allow to checkin or merge upstream if any test failed.
* The test system should submit report on all test scripts pass/fail and performance characterization to central server every night.Re: Apple’s declining software quality
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Jobs didn't care about Xcode. iTunes was decent or even good. He hated social and reluctantly allowed Ping to go forward. iMovie is a tiny niche. I agree with OP. There is no way Steve would have allowed some of the current stuff to see the light of day.
> iTunes was decent or even good You clearly never used iTunes for Windows.
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#180From the user and developer point of view, the only major drawback would be applications. Devs porting over apps to linux and users not having some of their favourite apps available.
It's becoming clear that Apple is not paying enough attention to the under the hood details of an OS and the security situation. And maintaining the OS is a huge investment from Apple. So it only feels natural to base Mac OS on linux and, as I said earlier, focus on the distinguishing features.
Technically though, it would still be a huge challenge as there are lots of factors to consider,but in the long term everyone wins Apple,linux though maybe not Microsoft.
I have been thinking about this idea of Apple using linux instead of its proprietary Mac OS for a long time, and have considered the transition only at a very high level. I would like to hear what the HN community thinks of this idea.
Edit: So instead of forking a version of linux and developing it independantly like what Apple did previously, a better model might be where Apple periodically forks from upstream projects and makes its modifications. Something like what Linux mint does with Ubuntu. So this way, they continue to get the latest and greatest developments from upstream projects without investing additional resources into maintaining their forked OS(this is currently what is happening with Mac OS).