It's funny when AdBlock tells you that brave.com has 2 blocked Ads. Oh the irony.
Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
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Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#172I will repeat this one more time, because Eich seems to be missing the point.[1] I don't adblock for privacy, security, or speed. Those are just nice-side effects. I adblock because I do not want to be manipulated into buying things I do not need. I wonder what would happen if, as a society, we said, "enough, no more ads". Would it really be the capitalist apocalypse that the ad industry is trying to make us believe…
The purpose of advertising is to make you buy more than you need. The economy relies strongly on people buying much more than they need. If you got rid of advertising, it would temporarily destroy the economy, until a new normal is reached, and long term it would save the environment due to heavily reduced consumption. Also, it could bring about the keynesian fantasy where people work only 12 hours a week, because th…
Exactly! Installing an ad blocker would be an act of revolution, it can disable entire economic systems. Ad blockers should be banned for this very reason - it's terrorism at worst and treason at best.
Like it or not, consumerism and capitalism go hand in hand. It has reduced global poverty and has made many of us in HN very comfortable. Advertising is bound hand and foot with this system. To deny this is to attack the very structure that we rely on.
( the above two paragraphs are possible satire )
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't adblock for privacy, security, or speed. Those are just nice-side effects. I adblock because I do not want to be manipulated into buying things I do not need. Interesting. I'm the opposite. I've yet to encounter an ad that has a hope in hell of manipulating me at all. I couldn't be more dismissive of them. And if I encounter one too often my dislike of the company starts to grow. "It's show time, and you've b…
> I've yet to encounter an ad that has a hope in hell of manipulating me at all. If you know what "just do it", "the happiest place on Earth", "think different", or "the world's most advanced operating system" refer to, you've already been manipulated. A lot of ads are just about making sure you have a particular brand in mind and you're keenly aware of that brand's existence. Then, when time comes around to actually…
I know what "just do it" means but have only bought one (1) pair of Nike trainers in my life (out of, oh, 40+ pairs).
I'm pretty sure I know where "the happiest place on Earth" is but it'll be a cold day in hell before I visit.
Less manipulated, more just a basic cultural awareness, I'd say.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#174This seems awful from a content provider perspective. I no longer get to have control over my own content, Brave gets to decide for me how much my content is worth and what ads appear on my site.
This isn't that far removed from coming into a bakery and saying "The Cupcakes are no longer $2, they're $1.50 'coz that's what we think people want to pay."
I realize the idea is that this is "better" for the content providers than Ad Block, but both are, IMHO stupid. If a site you visit has ads you don't like, complain to the people who run the site and stop going to it. All Ad Block software has never been a fix, merely a tool in an ever escalating war of ads where users and content creators both lose.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've yet to encounter an ad that has a hope in hell of manipulating me at all. If you know what "just do it", "the happiest place on Earth", "think different", or "the world's most advanced operating system" refer to, you've already been manipulated. A lot of ads are just about making sure you have a particular brand in mind and you're keenly aware of that brand's existence. Then, when time comes around to actually…
That works both ways. In the UK, presumably elsewhere too, there are long running themed adverts - they drive me nuts on the occasions that I don't hit the mute button soon enough. Brits will know the mongooses, and the two marathon runners, supposedly humorous - incessant, for years on end. Never, ever will I use those services.
The mongooses? Or the meerkats?
(I can't think of any mongoose adverts.)
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#176I will repeat this one more time, because Eich seems to be missing the point.[1] I don't adblock for privacy, security, or speed. Those are just nice-side effects. I adblock because I do not want to be manipulated into buying things I do not need. I wonder what would happen if, as a society, we said, "enough, no more ads". Would it really be the capitalist apocalypse that the ad industry is trying to make us believe…
So you're willing to pay out of your own pocket for all these things you enjoy, right? Right? Right?
There is no price difference if I pick a flight that has a TV on each seat (with advertisement showing) or flight with an older plane that doesn't have that.
Cinema prices has not changed since they introduced several minutes of advertisement for each movie.
Buss prices in my country has not gone down when they introduced advertisement on the inside. They are currently also considering to stop having advertisement (after a political party wanted to advertise a very controversial message), but there has not been any mention of an related increase in ticket price.
Sometimes, the market price is just the price that the market is willing to pay, rather than an exact balance between costs and revenue.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#177I will repeat this one more time, because Eich seems to be missing the point.[1] I don't adblock for privacy, security, or speed. Those are just nice-side effects. I adblock because I do not want to be manipulated into buying things I do not need. I wonder what would happen if, as a society, we said, "enough, no more ads". Would it really be the capitalist apocalypse that the ad industry is trying to make us believe…
I get your point, and it is a good one. We have a micro payments channel to publishers, frictionless and anonymous, under construction, for folks who want no ads and who will pay. Other users than you will be able to mix and match, too: better and more private ads on sites they don't support, with a revenue share to these users that they can spend on sites they do. We aren't saying "only ads". We do see ads as a nece…
Just to add the opposing viewpoint: after watching browsers get incredibly sluggish over the past year on up-to-date hardware (desktop and mobile), I absolutely care about speed and bandwidth consumption[1]. So Brave's 'manifesto' absolutely resonates.
Very happy to see the principal agent problem on the web stated so clearly. I've been calling it the tragedy of the commons in comments here and elsewhere. Thanks!
[1] And security and privacy, they're the basic minimum the world needs, right? Grandparent seems too quick to dismiss them.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#178Where is the incentive for the user to use this thing?
their pages load quicker on desktop and on mobile saving time and battery
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#179I'm doubtful of this taking off. People stick with the default apps and settings. The average person just really doesn't care that much about this kind of thing. Maybe enterprise or businesses will like it - so they can avoid their employees visit whitelisted sites that mistakenly have malicious code in the ads. Eg. Flash
I'm doubtful of this taking off. People stick with the default apps and settings. Firefox overcame that disadvantage about 10 years ago. You could say Chrome did too (though nowadays Chrome is bundled so much it no longer applies).
Overcame...and then lost it.
"Firefox's total user share -- an amalgamation of desktop and mobile -- was 9.5%"
Firefox gained marketshare 10 years ago b/c most internet users were still early adopters. There people were more tech savvy and into open source.
Source: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2893514/an-incredibly-s...
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've yet to encounter an ad that has a hope in hell of manipulating me at all. If you know what "just do it", "the happiest place on Earth", "think different", or "the world's most advanced operating system" refer to, you've already been manipulated. A lot of ads are just about making sure you have a particular brand in mind and you're keenly aware of that brand's existence. Then, when time comes around to actually…
> If you know [random thing]... you've already been manipulated. If this is the proposed legal standard, then parents should be banned first.
"Here are some other great manipulation products you may be interested in..."