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SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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> explodes on landing This is a pretty unfair characterization. It actually made the landing for most purposes, then a specific failure occurred - a leg failed to lock and it fell over. And yes, when a rocket falls over it will often explode.

> And yes, when a rocket falls over it will often explode. Why? Why would a small hit make it explode, when the stress of going from orbit does not?

Different stresses.

Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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> And yes, when a rocket falls over it will often explode. Why? Why would a small hit make it explode, when the stress of going from orbit does not?

Different stresses.

To elaborate, the rocket can take only about 1 atmosphere of pressure in the radial direction, but much more force in the longitudinal direction. It's designed to withstand the stresses of going in a straight line, but as soon as it bends it'll crumple, like a toilet paper cardboard tube.

So when the thing topples over, it bends. And when it bends, it ruptures because it's far in excess of the loads under standard conditions.

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> explodes on landing This is a pretty unfair characterization. It actually made the landing for most purposes, then a specific failure occurred - a leg failed to lock and it fell over. And yes, when a rocket falls over it will often explode.

> And yes, when a rocket falls over it will often explode. Why? Why would a small hit make it explode, when the stress of going from orbit does not?

I assume it's due to the liquid oxygen remaining in the booster; essentially its a towering pressurised container falling on its side causing a breach.

Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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This is the second time something like this happened. Why not put 4 tall posts up - equidistant from each other - a square. Then a wire net between the posts. When it tips over, it can just fall into the wire net.... they could even have motors to unwind a little while it leans over on them to allow "soft catching" the rocket. Foam over the wires would help here. Actually... why not skip the barge & the dramatic land…

2 reasons:

1) As you say, salt water is bad. Do never go in salt water if you want metallic, electronic things to keep working.

2) The rocket can't withstand much, if any, load in longitudinal bending mode. It'll buckle like a toilet paper cardboard tube. This almost certainly includes under its own weight, if you were to 'catch' it at the top of the rocket and hold it on an angle. To design against that, you'd be adding way too much weight to the structure to make it worthwhile.

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yeah, it feels the title this time should be rocket explodes AFTER landing, to give a better feeling of how close this was

especially since it seems to have hit the bullseye on the center of the barge (maybe missed dead center by a few inches).

4 feet

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yeah, it feels the title this time should be rocket explodes AFTER landing, to give a better feeling of how close this was

especially since it seems to have hit the bullseye on the center of the barge (maybe missed dead center by a few inches).

You can tell it missed by a few inches from the video?

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> explodes on landing This is a pretty unfair characterization. It actually made the landing for most purposes, then a specific failure occurred - a leg failed to lock and it fell over. And yes, when a rocket falls over it will often explode.

> And yes, when a rocket falls over it will often explode. Why? Why would a small hit make it explode, when the stress of going from orbit does not?

Because like all rockets it was designed to handle any expected aerodynamic loads with a certain margin with minimal mass.

Essentially the right parts just popped like a balloon. Falling on your side involves much different loads than being propelled into orbit. There's little value to designing a rocket to withstand such a fall.

Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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Am I the only one who was surprised by how violently the rocket exploded when it fell to its side?

Thin metal tube containing gaseous oxygen and kerosene, pressurised to 50psi.

I suspect there is also a termination system that deliberately detonates so as to control the mode of failure (i.e.: combust the dangerous stuff before it has an opportunity to mix with the other stuff and make things worse)

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