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Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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Twelve hundred employees??? And they couldn't find one or two of them to port Thunderbird to Qt.

I think you seriously underestimate the amount of work that would take.

Wow, you think it would take more than a few developer-years?

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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Do you mind sharing a few of those lucrative / non-annoying monetization models? I'm curious. And thanks for the insights into opera!

I think that's still too recent, sorry. People might get upset. Ask me again in five years. :)

Apologies, I didn't mean to ask for anything proprietary; I should have made that clearer. Just what someone familiar with the product would know.

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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That's not the kind of innovation that users want, nor is it the kind that they truly benefit from. In general, users don't want any ads at all showing in their browser. They don't want them as part of web pages, they don't want them embedded in videos, and they surely don't want them as part of the browser itself! This should have been obvious given the popularity of various ad-blocking extensions for Firefox. Going…

As a user I really don't care about ads. Unless, of course, they are those annoying hover ads or auto-playing video ads or they slow down the browser.

So far, informally, every person I've seen write something like this works in marketing, works for a company that makes revenue from advertising, or is somehow monetarily incentivized to have a web where "users" widely agree to view ads. Obviously, there's no causation (perhaps those people naturally gravitate towards fruitful work that doesn't bother them), but it seems to be a pretty reliable (read: so far 100%) correlation.

Are you the combo breaker?

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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Firefox appeared at a time when there was huge potential being stifled by a stagnant monopoly in the space, and people were desperate for something good. It filled a real need, and people loved it. FirefoxOS appeared at a time when there was huge potential being actively being pushed forward and innovated on by the two largest tech companies in the space, and people already had two great options to choose from. It fi…

Privacy is a poor angle to pursue. It's old, and so we know, as you said, that people don't care.

They have a real chance if they ride the social justice and progressivism train, though. It's hot and unlike privacy, people care about it a lot. They've already set the precedent with the Eich controversy. They just need to double down and start promoting it better. Take initiative instead of being reactive. Not too hard when the organizations you're up against are gigantic multi-billion-dollar companies who can't afford to fire every conservative employee, not comply with government regulations their audience views negatively, or kowtow too hard to diversity for fear of angering the technolibertarians.

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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Firefox appeared at a time when there was huge potential being stifled by a stagnant monopoly in the space, and people were desperate for something good. It filled a real need, and people loved it. FirefoxOS appeared at a time when there was huge potential being actively being pushed forward and innovated on by the two largest tech companies in the space, and people already had two great options to choose from. It fi…

Privacy is a poor angle to pursue. It's old, and so we know, as you said, that people don't care. They have a real chance if they ride the social justice and progressivism train, though. It's hot and unlike privacy, people care about it a lot. They've already set the precedent with the Eich controversy. They just need to double down and start promoting it better. Take initiative instead of being reactive. Not too har…

I'm pretty sure people do still care about privacy. It just might not be readily obvious how to profit from such people.

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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I think that's still too recent, sorry. People might get upset. Ask me again in five years. :)

Apologies, I didn't mean to ask for anything proprietary; I should have made that clearer. Just what someone familiar with the product would know.

No worries.

Actually, when I checked just now I saw that I can share it since they actually have published a nice brochure about the scheme :).

http://www.operasoftware.com/content/download/5572/205427/ve...

Basically the scheme was: get lots and lots of users. Then go to each operator and say.. hey.. you know these users that you are having a really hard time to monetize because you don't have a direct in-app/phone channel to them? We have an app that (for example) 20 million of your customers use every month. Our offer to you is that for a cost for X USD/month/user we will expose your services in the default speed dial of this app that your customers love to use. This worked exceptionally well.

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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I'm saddened by this because I am not a fan of the current state in mobile where everything is an app. I liked their idea of having 'apps' be about the open web. Sure, native apps can be great but I don't want to be locked in to anyone's proprietary platform.

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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Firefox appeared at a time when there was huge potential being stifled by a stagnant monopoly in the space, and people were desperate for something good. It filled a real need, and people loved it. FirefoxOS appeared at a time when there was huge potential being actively being pushed forward and innovated on by the two largest tech companies in the space, and people already had two great options to choose from. It fi…

Hear, hear. Instead of pushing for an alternative against data vampires like Google, they push their own weird cloud services ("Firefox Sync") and... videochat? Didn't they suddenly have some weird, pop-up-by-default videochat thing in one of their recent releases?

I actually always liked the idea of a FirefoxOS. Linux style operating system alternatives could need a proper fucking GUI and general average-user-oriented design. Firefox is amazing at that for a non-profit, they could actually pull it off.

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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You can read the original announcement with the list of goals here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/mozilla.dev.platf... there used to be a website - arewemobileyet.com which listed the API's that we identified as necessary to make FxOS possible. You can find it in web.archive - http://web.archive.org/web/20140401194921/http://arewemobile... We successfully standardized most of them! :)

Those were the publicly announced goals. You must be really naive if you think those were the actual goals.

Those were the actual goals.

Next time you want to spread theories and rumors, check background of who you are questioning ;)

Source: I work at Mozilla and on Firefox OS project.

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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I'm not sure if you're serious or not. If you are, here's a good place to start: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/

That's not very useful. I think you mean to link to this: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ I'm going to get voted down by those who don't like dissent or opinions that they fear are "offensive" (and certainly they probably won't participate in the discussion or even attempt to answer the issues I raise!), but here is why I asked the question: Basically, I just don't see that Mozilla is actually…

I agree that my link isn't useful in light this clarification. I do appreciate you taking the time to expand on your opinion.
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