Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

A new approach to China

googleblog.blogspot.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

171–180 of 392 posts

Re: A new approach to China

#171

Post by codexon »

rabidgnat wrote: post #110
boundlessdreamz wrote: post #6

This is incredible. This is the first time, I have seen a LARGE company * Putting its users above profits * Stand up to Chinese Government. Since accounts of human rights activists were targeted, this operation was clearly done at the behest of Chinese Government. I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop. It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to gene…

"I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop." Half of the surprise I received reading this article was my shock that the Chinese government would attack profitable companies like Google. Sure, they've always attacked foreign governments, but China's government depends on US companies spending Dollars overseas. Since consumer spending is down in USA, it only seems natural for China to start…

Last time I checked, the Chinese didn't need Google. They have communist party approved Baidu.

Re: A new approach to China

#172

Post by damngfw »

liuliu wrote: post #88
there wrote: post #38

nobody seems to be commenting on the attack part of that post. what was the "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google"? that doesn't sound like just a few end-user gmail accounts being compromised, but something that was much more serious that may have exposed more information than just what these ch…

For some background information: GFW research team tried heavily to crack down the SSL certificate for gmail (thus, they can censor the gmail content through GFW).

Hackers ! if you are the true hacker, you should unite and destroy the GFW ! GFW force the 1.6 billion Chinese people to stay outside the gate of information society , GFW is not only the enemy of the Chinese people but also the enemy of all mankind !

Re: A new approach to China

#173

Post by omouse »

pavs wrote: post #18
omouse wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They shouldn't have even opened an office in China. What the heck did they expect to happen?

In case you didn't know. Google is not a charity, but a business organization. It would have been silly for them not to do business with China - when most western nations and companies does it. Some level of censorship does outweigh the benefits of having google.cn. But google being google, and perhaps the only company that has the balls to do this, will most likely pull out of china if they don't get their way. I ca…

Baidu, the Chinese search engine, has a little over double the market share of Google. If Google leaves, Baidu wins.

Also, just because someone else has done something, doesn't mean you too should do it. The potential for business should be weighed against the ethical decision to do business with a totalitarian government. But I guess this is the West and we have no problem dealing with dictators and oppressors and their like anyway.

Re: A new approach to China

#174

Post by garply »

rabidgnat wrote: post #110
boundlessdreamz wrote: post #6

This is incredible. This is the first time, I have seen a LARGE company * Putting its users above profits * Stand up to Chinese Government. Since accounts of human rights activists were targeted, this operation was clearly done at the behest of Chinese Government. I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop. It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to gene…

"I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop." Half of the surprise I received reading this article was my shock that the Chinese government would attack profitable companies like Google. Sure, they've always attacked foreign governments, but China's government depends on US companies spending Dollars overseas. Since consumer spending is down in USA, it only seems natural for China to start…

Google is not very big in China anyway, the Chinese gov't doesn't stand to lose much.

Re: A new approach to China

#175

Post by EricBurnett »

dskhatri wrote: post #69

This is a huge development. I was just discussing this with friends by email (we should be using Wave) and realized the move, although incredibly noble, could be even more detrimental economically to Google's growth outside the US. Totalitarian governments (of which there are quite a few) will become weary of Google's power and possibly inhibit the company's growth in those countries. On the other hand, this move wil…

FYI, here and in your other post above (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1049046), I believe the word you are looking for is 'wary' not 'weary'. But good point nevertheless.

Re: A new approach to China

#176

Post by nshen121 »

damngfw wrote: post #172
liuliu wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some background information: GFW research team tried heavily to crack down the SSL certificate for gmail (thus, they can censor the gmail content through GFW).

Hackers ! if you are the true hacker, you should unite and destroy the GFW ! GFW force the 1.6 billion Chinese people to stay outside the gate of information society , GFW is not only the enemy of the Chinese people but also the enemy of all mankind !

顶

Re: A new approach to China

#177

Post by jwoodruff »

credo wrote: post #25
boundlessdreamz wrote: post #6

This is incredible. This is the first time, I have seen a LARGE company * Putting its users above profits * Stand up to Chinese Government. Since accounts of human rights activists were targeted, this operation was clearly done at the behest of Chinese Government. I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop. It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to gene…

I hope this increases the pressure on other search providers to do the right thing. It will be interesting to see how the Chinese govt responds

I hope this increases pressure on other COMPANIES in general to do the right thing, especially in regards to China.

Re: A new approach to China

#178

Post by omouse »

boundlessdreamz wrote: post #6

This is incredible. This is the first time, I have seen a LARGE company * Putting its users above profits * Stand up to Chinese Government. Since accounts of human rights activists were targeted, this operation was clearly done at the behest of Chinese Government. I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop. It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to gene…

If it's an attack done by the Chinese government, then Google's withdrawal from the country would be welcome by them. It would increase the market share of Baidu, the local Chinese-based earch engine.

It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to generate profits can eschew it and take a moral high ground why can't the government do it? Are the cheap goods from china so necessary that it is not worth antagonizing China ?

It's been time to do that for a very long time...cheap goods aren't worth it at all.

Re: A new approach to China

#179

Post by fcu_1 »

I love that CNN's app on the iPhone immediately sent me an alert to let me know when Brittany Murphy died whereas 3 hours after a real story like this broke I still haven't gotten any sort of notification. Uninstalling CNN's app right after I post this.
Post reply on HN