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Post by LoSboccacc »

incepted wrote: post #64
lerxst wrote: post #3

I imagine their bounce rate will be very high if they continue doing this. Other news sites have done similar things such as make you participate in a survey before reading the article. In order for me to open this article before September 22, I would have to copy that link, paste it into an email to myself, open Mail on my phone, and open the link from my own email.

Don't bother, on the 22nd, it will probably be one of the top titles on Hacker News: "Remember this article that used to be exclusive on Apple News? Now you can read it!".

probably. always remember, on internet, the product is you.

this is but another social experiment/AB test/growth hacking thing (and I'm giving them already valuable data just by posting here).

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by ikeboy »

sksk wrote: post #113
SyneRyder wrote: post #33

This could backfire. Surely this should result in a Google penalty against Wired.com for publishing thin content? https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2604719?hl=en If Wired wants the article to be exclusive on Apple News, fine, but in that case it should not be on the website. Keep it exclusively on Apple News. There is no content on this page beyond a headline.

While I agree that this is annoying, but how is this different from pay walls that vary from 1-2 sentences to blurred out sentences? And what about sites that show content when the referrer is Google but show paywall otherwise?

And what about sites that show content when the referrer is Google but show paywall otherwise?

Google explicitly allows this. https://support.google.com/news/publisher/answer/40543?hl=en

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by simonh »

xrjn wrote: post #133
raverbashing wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, did anyone try fetching it with an Apple News reader user-agent?

I don't know how Apple News works, but wouldn't they use a custom API to fetch news?

Apple News is basically a fancy RSS reader, with an additional private API for selected publishers.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by SyneRyder »

AlexC04 wrote: post #167
JohnTHaller wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google should penalize sites that do that exactly the way they are penalizing sites with banners telling visitors to get their app. If you want your content on the web and have the benefits of it being on the web (searchable, linkable, etc) put it on the web. If you want it "exclusively on Apple News", put it there. But you shouldn't get to have your cake and eat it too.

I'm not sure I agree that there's a problem here. Time limited exclusive content on puff pieces just isnt a priority for me. I mean, wired is given ng the content away free. I don't have a "human right" to read this. Is it a slippery slope? Perhaps. What if real news gets walled off like this? US presidential debates being on cable only (or TV only for cord cutters) seems a bigger problem to me. There's a lot of nuan…

It was listed at the top of Wired.com for regular web browsers earlier today, in their Latest News column. It now appears to have been pulled from that section, even if you click through to the archives.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by simonh »

jad wrote: post #75
JohnTHaller wrote: post #2

Wired will be losing ad revenue due to Apple adding ad blocking abilities to mobile Safari. So, Wired moves content to Apple News which has ads that can't be blocked (and Apple conveniently takes a nice juicy cut of).

I think there's almost no chance that the percentage of iOS users blocking ads is enough to meaningfully impact Wired's overall revenue from that story. Even given that ad blocking apps have been top sellers, it's still only available on iOS 9, which has been out less than a week. So surely revenue from all web users (without an ad blocker) outweigh the (presumably) tiny amount of ad revenue Wired will earn from Appl…

> Even given that ad blocking apps have been top sellers, it's still only available on iOS 9, which has been out less than a week.

iOS9 penetration is already past 50%(1). New versions usually get mass adoption very quickly.

(1) http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/21/apple-ios-9-50-percent/

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by JohnTHaller »

exodust wrote: post #117
JohnTHaller wrote: post #76

Additional fun fact: Publishers can't opt out of having their RSS feeds included in Apple News without signing up for an Apple ID. I wonder if that means Apple News will ignore robots.txt.

Why would a publisher opt out of having their feeds visible to any particular platform? The whole point of making an RSS feed available is so that it's *available" to any client that can read it. As much as I don't like what Wired and Apple are doing in terms of using the web to promote native exclusivity, RSS should be open to all by default. As for robots.txt in web pages, I agree that Apple News should be respecti…

Considering the way this is all working, there's a good chance Apple may filter ads out of RSS feeds. Or disallow launching a real web browser from Apple News in the future to keep consumers in one interface they control.

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

exodust wrote: post #106
btown wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost certain that Apple's long game is to make this the norm. If there's one surefire way to get people addicted to ad blockers, it's to make them available on mobile devices. Once enough content creators start moving content behind News-walls, then Apple can roll out desktop versions of News. And as people then start asking each other "how do I get ad blocking in my browser as well," Apple's well positioned t…

"It's brilliant" Locking away articles in native apps so people can't block ads isn't brilliant. Apple encouraging ad blocking on the web to "nudge" publishers into their exclusive native eco-system is nothing but typical tech giant arrogance. Wired publishing stories that when clicked from Google go to place-holders with pointers to native should be penalised by Google search, and I hope they are. There is nothing o…

>Locking away articles in native apps so people can't block ads isn't brilliant.

I'm reminded of a quote:

"After all, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things — terrible, yes, but great."

-Ollivander

I agree the path mobile seems to be heading down is terrible.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by daenney »

deong wrote: post #152
daenney wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That does not appear to be true: > Earn 100% of the revenue from ads you sell, and 70% when iAd sells ads for you. https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documenta...

That doesn't contradict his post saying "iAd allows you to do direct sales through it's own system".

It contradicts his implication that Apple will force you to use iAd, at least the way I'm interpreting it.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by adamlett »

josteink wrote: post #105
btown wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost certain that Apple's long game is to make this the norm. If there's one surefire way to get people addicted to ad blockers, it's to make them available on mobile devices. Once enough content creators start moving content behind News-walls, then Apple can roll out desktop versions of News. And as people then start asking each other "how do I get ad blocking in my browser as well," Apple's well positioned t…

You assume everyone and their grandmother has Apple-equipment. Most of the world doesn't. Saying that you will only do business with those who has Apple-equipment is leaving out most of the market, and doing so would be suicide for most businesses.

> Most of the world doesn't.

Technically true, but most of the world doesn't matter. Only the part which has disposable income does. The more disposable income, the more it matters.

Last I heard, Apple had around 50% market share in the US and going up. And I'm betting that it's the 50% that matters most.

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