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Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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So, you are saying that while watering my lawn if I feel deep in my heart I'm committing a crime then I am, in fact, committing a crime? Plus your stabbing example doesn't explain anything since you would have indeed physically harmed someone which is against the law in most jurisdictions. Considering your rape/not-rape example, a better example is that you would be arrested for thinking about stabbing someone in the…

No, you need two things: the intent* and the act. If the act of watering your lawn isn't an element of any crime, then you're fine. If the victim says that the accused did X, Y, and then Z, that is a statement of fact about what happened. If the victim then says that he doesn't think that X, Y, and Z constitute a crime, that is a statement about the law..which might just be incorrect. * except for strict liability cr…

I understand what you are saying.

I am simply saying that in a criminal case if the only evidence presented is the accusation of the prosecution, especially if the supposed victim proclaims they are not a victim of the alleged crime, then I will find it hard to convict if I'm on that jury. Regardless of what the law says or the alleged intent of the accused.

In cases that any law can provide a conviction with no evidence other than an accusation from the state then that's an extremely bad law and should be stricken.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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I read in an article posted here yesterday that the reason for the stalemate is that Ecuador is demanding Sweden make statements to the effect that Assange is in a legal asylum at the embassy. Sweden don't want to get involved in that side of things, they just want to interview him and so have refused that demand.

Ecuador has denied this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/10/us-sweden-assange-... > The Ecuadorian embassy also said in its statement that no representative from Sweden has turned up on their steps to interview Assange. > Karin Rosander, spokeswoman for Swedish Prosecution Authority, said a prosecutor had been to London in June, ready to question the Australian, but lacking necessary permissions, she had to re…

I think the necessary permissions missing were from her supperiors.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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> He has been charged. "Sweden has yet to formally charge Assange with any offense." - The Guardian "Sweden has yet to formally indict Assange." - New York Times "Mr Assange has not been formally charged with any offense." - BBC "Sweden does not have a time limit on how long the pre-trial stage will last or how long a person can be held in pre-trial detention.... only when an indictment is brought does the suspect ac…

> 153. ... there can be no doubt that if what Mr Assange had done had been done in England and Wales, he would have been charged and thus criminal proceedings would have been commenced. If the commencement of criminal proceedings were to be viewed as dependent on whether a person had been charged, it would be to look at Swedish procedure through the narrowest of common law eyes. Looking at it through cosmopolitan eye…

Wow, what a febrile argument.

If there was "some sort of body of legal experts" that... wait a minute... there IS and they condemned Sweden for its routine indefinite detention of people who have yet to be formally charged IN SWEDEN.

Truly baffling why you think a British ruling on the narrow validity of an extradition request translates into formal rights in a foreign criminal system where the defendant has not been charged and the prosecutor has stated there is not enough evidence to charge him.

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