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Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by jussij »

seanalltogether wrote: post #123

Seeing as the apps they showcased were all desktop and no metro, does this mean the app store will now sell desktop apps going forward? Any word on different sandbox restrictions to go with it?

I suspect that has a lot to do with trying to get corporate users to move off Windows 7, which the basically refused to do with Windows 8, thanks to the fact Windows 8 tried relegating desktop apps to second class Windows citizens, behind metro.

Since corporate Windows users tend to run mostly desktop apps, if modern Windows is not going to support their apps they will not move.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by Someone1234 »

castell wrote: post #107
kozukumi wrote: post #5

I have been running the technical previews since the very start and I have to say I am quite surprised at the July 29th release date. Even today's builds are riddled with problems. They have a lot of work to do if they really think it will be consumer ready by the end of July.

Will Win10 ship with an optional Win7 theme? The "AeroGlass" theme was beautiful and my hardware is fast enough - sure some low end mobile hardware can't handle it. Will Win10 RTM still requires a Microsoft Outlook/Live/Passport/Hotmail-Account? The non-obvious small almost hidden "offline" profile option during Windows install wizard is not okay. It should be an equal option. And for OneDrive and Cortana there shoul…

I have no clue on OneDrive, but Cortana can be disabled. The UI can be shrink a lot, but the button remains to provide "basic" local search and similar. In fact Cortana is disabled by default, or it was on the build that added it.

As to the Live Account thing, as another poster said there is a hidden button to bypass it, but they intentionally make it hard to find to try and force people into using a Live Account (and things like OneDrive and the Store integrate with a Live Account also, so without one functionality will break).

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by zobzu »

Someone1234 wrote: post #156
sp332 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pirated copies of windows will get to upgrade, but they will still be illegitimate. I think it's a security and support issue. It's just cheaper and safer to have the pirates running the latest version of the software.

Then why not XP copies? That's strangely inconsistent.

Upgrade path from xp is inconsistent even to win 7

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by Spooky23 »

Hurtak wrote: post #72
noselasd wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"today's builds" arn't todays. They're months behind what MS are developing.

Is it really months? I thought it's more like few weeks max. Do you have any source for that statement?

The Microsoft field people I work with are usually a couple of weeks ahead.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by zobzu »

cm2187 wrote: post #115
kozukumi wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Several BSODs, glitches with the virtual desktops, inconsistent fonts and layouts, multiple application (explorer) crashes, wifi connectivity problems, failures returning from sleep and standby, dozens of UI inconsistencies.

Windows 8 had tons of UI inconsistencies. You would move from a metro style control panel to an old, non-resizable grey winform with tabs. Windows 10 didn't really improve or worsen that.

Actually it improves a bit since more apps are rewritten and metro apps default to their own windows

Of course its far from being all consistent...

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by gnud »

fname wrote: post #35
gnud wrote: post #21

Can you reliably turn off web search from the start menu, and one drive integration, yet?

Yes, both can be disabled. However, I'm not sure if it's dependent upon which 'edition' though. For example, you can turn it off in Enterprise, but not Professional.

So, the answer is "no" then. As in, "no, I won't upgrade my grandma to Windows 10".

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by bhauer »

castell wrote: post #107
kozukumi wrote: post #5

I have been running the technical previews since the very start and I have to say I am quite surprised at the July 29th release date. Even today's builds are riddled with problems. They have a lot of work to do if they really think it will be consumer ready by the end of July.

Will Win10 ship with an optional Win7 theme? The "AeroGlass" theme was beautiful and my hardware is fast enough - sure some low end mobile hardware can't handle it. Will Win10 RTM still requires a Microsoft Outlook/Live/Passport/Hotmail-Account? The non-obvious small almost hidden "offline" profile option during Windows install wizard is not okay. It should be an equal option. And for OneDrive and Cortana there shoul…

I feel the marginalization of traditional (local) accounts is a mistake.

Microsoft is, in my opinion, squandering an opportunity to be the major industry player to disintermediate today's "cloud" and give control back to individuals, families, and friends. Because they think of managing local accounts from a 15-year old point of view clouded by overly-complicated Windows Domains, they are unwilling to conceive an interface for managing your family's accounts yourself in a secure manner. But it would be possible, and Microsoft should be the one major player saying: "We're going to provide you the tools to manage your information securely for yourself. Unlike Google and Apple, we don't want your information. It's yours and we value your privacy!"

It's #5 from my 2013 rant on Microsoft: http://tiamat.tsotech.com/microsoft

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by SimpleXYZ »

userbinator wrote: post #160
zanny wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless MS changes their free upgrade policy to be every version of Windows since XP instead of 7 nobody using Vista / XP will upgrade because its expensive. Though the market share of XP has been dropping. The only real users left are those who don't know what an OS is and only uses it to check AOL in ie6 and businesses who are too stupid to upgrade their horribly dated software.

As someone who is still on XP after having tried all the newer Windows versions (and forced to use some), I don't think it's worth relearning everything and finding out that a lot of the functionality that you used to rely on is now either completely missing or terribly dumbed-down. All the little irritations add up. We've probably long passed the point of "sufficient for the average user" in terms of OS features, as…

Windows XP is technology from 2001. A lot has changed in the last 14 years.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by ytjohn »

baldfat wrote: post #66
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm it seems difficult to find statistics that separate desktop boxes from laptops (I see separation of desktop and laptop va ultraportable) but I think the trend is less desktops and more laptops. So I'm not entirely surprised. Honestly I constantly built my own towers for years but these past 3 or 4 years I haven't even booted a desktop tower; laptops are just so good nowadays and I can pick it up and go or dock it…

I like my keyboard and mouse with two screen that are there 100% of the time. Frsutrating that Firefox and Chrome boot slower than my phone and tablet! I will stop using a desktop computer when you pry the mechnical keyboard out of my cold dead hands. P.S. Never personally owned a laptop and only use one's provided by my work.

I agree about the mechanical keyboard and large screen. But I do use a laptop. It sits on my desk docked in (usb and thunderbolt docks are awesome - 1 cable). Then, I can take it with me.
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