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Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by martypitt »

astalwick wrote: post #135
martypitt wrote: post #121

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No one is obliged to give me money -- unless they consume the content I created. At that point, they are. Anything else assumes that because content exists, people have the right to consume it -- for free if they can work out how. Let's be clear: I fully agree that Hollywood needs to catch up, and make content accessible in the way that Popcorn time has. But I don't have the right to consume content illegally, just b…

I consider piracy to be a form of protest. I'm happy to pay, as long as the terms are reasonable. (I have a Rdio account that's been active for years now - I can't remember the last time I pirated music... I can't remember the last time I pirated software, either). However, in Canada, the only way to watch (for example) Game of Thrones is to a) get a massive cable subscription which includes 1000 channels you don't w…

Is it a surprise? No. What you've described is downright annoying. It seems nonsensical to me that hollywood makes it so difficult for me to give them money to watch Game of Thrones.

But, Piracy isn't a form of protest, any more than stealing a car is -- regardless of how reasonable you consider the price.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by enraged_camel »

kalleboo wrote: post #132
driverdan wrote: post #90

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There is something very wrong when buying a movie on iTunes costs more than buying it on Bluray.

And don't forget that despite paying more, you get less, since on iTunes it doesn't come with any of the extras on the Blu-ray.

This is incorrect. For most movies there's an iTunes Extra section that comes with the movie when you buy it.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by smhg »

forgottenpass wrote: post #123
smhg wrote: post #87

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My comment was not meant to participate in the free vs paid discussion. That's indeed a whole other thing. Your question itself, snarky or not, makes me sad. Doesn't that imply you spend a large part of your day doing something you don't like just for the sake of making money?

Your question itself, snarky or not, makes me sad. Doesn't that imply you spend a large part of your day doing something you don't like just for the sake of making money? What world do you live in where businesses exist to advance humanity and people work on things they like? I'd really like to move there. The world I live in, only a handful of companies believe in their feel-good mission statements and it's a luxury…

I hope the same as you. At least in the one where the goal is to have people work on the things they like. Both parties benefit from this, no?

Just to be clear: I'm not expecting everyone to always be able to work on what they like. But as _a goal_, it sounds better to me than making as much money as possible.

You'd always take a better paying job over one which overlaps with your passions?

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by enraged_camel »

driverdan wrote: post #90
martingordon wrote: post #80

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How does this differ from iTunes? There's a business model that works, and the experience is pretty much exactly like Popcorn Time, except iTunes has those pesky Rent/Buy buttons.

There is something very wrong when buying a movie on iTunes costs more than buying it on Bluray.

I disagree. iTunes offers a massive amount of convenience that bluray doesn't offer. When you buy something on iTunes, you can start consuming it almost immediately. Versus a bluray, which you have to either wait to receive, or go to the store in person to buy.

This "on-demand" nature of iTunes is enough of a value-add to justify the increased price, at least in my eyes.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by Tactic »

xnzakg wrote: post #70
eli wrote: post #50

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The question isn't whether it's possible to charge anything . They're not compensating the content creators. If I steal cars and resell them for a fraction of their typical price, does that prove the car industry is broken?

Except when you steal a car, the owner doesn't have it anymore. If you would manage to clone a car and then resell it for a fraction of its price, it would mean the car industry is broken.

I agree this car analogy is flawed because it correlates a movie to a car as if they are both goods. Media is actually a service (a recorded performance). This not only causes this analogy to break down but your underlying argument that because the owner still has a copy it is therefore acceptable.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by chasing »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #108
Narkov wrote: post #12

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Everything right? Except of course monitize it. Giving stuff away is pretty easy to do. Making a business out of it is much harder.

You've fallen into the classic trap: No one is obliged to give you money. Finding a business model that works is your problem, not your customers. Forced lock-in is a model, but it's a violent one that makes people want to leave, and it's entirely predicated on there never being an escape hatch for your trapped customers. There is now an escape hatch for content customers. They're no longer beholden to the choice of…

You've fallen into the classic trap:

No one is obliged to give you free content in the form of movies, music, books, video games, television shows, etc. Just because you can pirate or steal something doesn't mean it's morally or legally justifiable.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by towelguy »

viraptor wrote: post #38
Narkov wrote: post #12

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Everything right? Except of course monitize it. Giving stuff away is pretty easy to do. Making a business out of it is much harder.

Coinado will require payment after beta period. We'll see how it goes...

They could switch to webtorrent: https://github.com/feross/webtorrent

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by kalleboo »

enraged_camel wrote: post #162
kalleboo wrote: post #132

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And don't forget that despite paying more, you get less, since on iTunes it doesn't come with any of the extras on the Blu-ray.

This is incorrect. For most movies there's an iTunes Extra section that comes with the movie when you buy it.

Maybe in the U.S. Not here. Nothing I've bought has extras. Looking at some current top movies (including Disney ones), no extras.

edit: after checking 10 movies in the top current movies, finally found one with extras (released by Fox). so it exists, but nowhere near "most"

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by jmcmichael »

martypitt wrote: post #131
donutz wrote: post #126

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> No one is obliged to give me money -- unless they consume the content I created. At that point, they are. Umm, no. I don't owe buskers one penny, even if I enjoy their street performance.

Sorry, I should've been clear: > No one is obliged to give me money -- unless they consume the content I created. Then, it's my call, whatever business model I pick. Buskers are giving their content away for free. You don't have the right to attend their concert, just because you don't like the website they're selling their tickets on.

> ...whatever business model I pick.

Would it be a good thing for society to allow you to pick a business model where you blare your music from loud speakers and then pay large burley men 50 cents to collect 1 dollar from anyone within earshot, on the premise that they heard your music so thus owe you?

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by morley »

astalwick wrote: post #135
martypitt wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is obliged to give me money -- unless they consume the content I created. At that point, they are. Anything else assumes that because content exists, people have the right to consume it -- for free if they can work out how. Let's be clear: I fully agree that Hollywood needs to catch up, and make content accessible in the way that Popcorn time has. But I don't have the right to consume content illegally, just b…

I consider piracy to be a form of protest. I'm happy to pay, as long as the terms are reasonable. (I have a Rdio account that's been active for years now - I can't remember the last time I pirated music... I can't remember the last time I pirated software, either). However, in Canada, the only way to watch (for example) Game of Thrones is to a) get a massive cable subscription which includes 1000 channels you don't w…

Not being able to watch a TV show isn't exactly oppression. If I didn't get into a closed beta of a highly-anticipated web service or video game, it wouldn't be "a form of protest" to brute-force someone else's login, or to crack the signup system. It would be wrong.
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