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Take me as an Intern – 19yo student seeking internship

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Re: Take me as an Intern – 19yo student seeking internship

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FYI in the US it is considered inappropriate to have your picture on a resume.

I consider this outdated due to the age of Social Media where people can be easily searched up and identified to see what they look like. The reasons for not attaching a photo are largely out of date.

I don't believe it is out of date. The reason is the resume is the first impression of you - someone has to make a 60 second choice to look into you further - to call you or Google you. If you include a photo you are asking the company to evaluate your looks as part of the initial resume which have zero to do with your job qualifications. (we are talking about software here)

Like it or not employers make snap judgements without consciously thinking about it based on irrelevant characteristics. We know people with black sounding names get callbacks significantly less than white sounding names.[1] I can't imagine how much more difficult someone who was a dark skinned black would have it if they included a photo. Remember - employers give a resume a once over and their unconscious bias in in effect.

No hiring manager or HR person will tell you they are openly racist or disregard candidates based on their name - and they aren't lying! They just do it because social biases effect their evaluation without them realizing it. As much as we love to believe we are rational beings in a lot of ways we are not.

Also the reason why employers asked for a photo in a resume in the olden days was to openly discriminate against candidates. They didn't want to waste their time interviewing or following up with someone who is black, Hispanic, ugly[2], or a woman when they were seeking a white male. Their resume would just be discarded. Now that sort of discrimination is illegal in hiring so they stopped soliciting photos because they stopped (openly) taking that sort of information into consideration. Since your looks are irrelevant to the job they will often throw out resumes that contain photos so they aren't accused of taking looks into account when reviewing resumes.

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/opinion/nicholas-kristof-i...

[2]Being ugly/fat isn't a protected class under federal discrimination laws in the US.

Re: Take me as an Intern – 19yo student seeking internship

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post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have hired a lot of developers over the last 15 years and not once have I cared if they have a github account.

Well since GitHub is only ~5 years old it is not very surprising...

It's a little bit more than that: around 7 years old.

Re: Take me as an Intern – 19yo student seeking internship

#163

Good god can we please stop with the photos? Do you people really want to go back to the 1950s where a photo was required with a resume? Do you really want your potential employers to be judging you on your looks/race/ethnicity at the resume stage? It may be beneficial to you (you are the "correct" race and gender and you look young and not ugly) but for those of us that aren't - we don't want pressure to include pho…

Especially when his IG is way too overloaded with self-photo shoots :-)

Re: Take me as an Intern – 19yo student seeking internship

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post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider this outdated due to the age of Social Media where people can be easily searched up and identified to see what they look like. The reasons for not attaching a photo are largely out of date.

The reason for not including pictures is entirely a legal issue. If a picture is included in the resume and the company decides to not hire that person (despite being qualified), they could sue for discrimination. If the company instead throws out ALL resumes with pictures, they don't ever get sued. Logically, any company that is large enough to have a legal team should be expected to throw out all resumes with pictu…

I'm well aware it's entirely a legal issue. Notice how I said the law is outdated? Laws aren't known for keeping up to date with technology.

Imagine a resume for a technological position as a programmer in a company. The person includes their Github account, where they are using a picture of themselves as their avatar. What do you do in that scenario? A personal picture is frequently used as an avatar on Github. Their repositories are highly relevant to the position in which they are applying - but you now have a photo of them.

Do you throw out the resume in fear of a discrimination lawsuit? Would you throw out a supermajority of the resumes you get because of this issue? Regardless of how qualified the individuals were?

Placing your Github handle is pretty common practice if you have good contributions. Using a picture of yourself as your avatar is also pretty common practice on Github.

Re: Take me as an Intern – 19yo student seeking internship

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post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have hired a lot of developers over the last 15 years and not once have I cared if they have a github account.

Well since GitHub is only ~5 years old it is not very surprising...

I think he was referring to sites that allow you to manage and collaborate with others, etc. e.g., sourceforge

Re: Take me as an Intern – 19yo student seeking internship

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post #52
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he were sending a standard printed resume through the mail then you might have a point. This online version is something different and I doubt that anyone looking for talent would disqualify him for having his picture on there.

I'll be completely honest and say that it makes me feel slightly awkward because it's a major component of the resume and yet is completely irrelevant for deciding if he's qualified or not. To me, it's distracting and actually makes me feel slightly pressured to cut him some slack because he put in extra effort on making the resume pretty. All that said, for someone who hasn't even started college yet, I think every…

I have to be honest here....

I review resumes and have a say in hiring decisions in my company. I would probably have a tendency to disregard this resume because of the picture. It is pretty distracting and frankly makes me uncomfortable. I don't wish to evaluate a candidate based on their looks but this one says "my looks are important to my job qualifications." Perhaps I'm old fashion and this is over the top but it just rubs me the wrong way and I feel the "type" of candidate who includes a picture like that isn't the "type" of candidate I'd like to have on my team. It comes off to me as narcissistic.

Perhaps the younger, hipper crowd appreciates this sort of thing - if you are going for that type of work. Long established companies might pass this one up.

I might be completely out in left field here though.

Re: Take me as an Intern – 19yo student seeking internship

#167

Why do you want to intern? Seems like with your skills you could just work (and get paid for) a real job.

A lot of places won't hire someone full-time for just the summer. I was in the same situation: I could have applied for a full-time job, but I can't be full time once school starts up again.

Re: Take me as an Intern – 19yo student seeking internship

#168

Why do you want to intern? Seems like with your skills you could just work (and get paid for) a real job.

In the US tech industry, internships are actually fantastic, fantastic investments. You get paid incredibly well, get good names on your resume without 2+ year long commitments, get to network with a variety of people (2-4 companies/regions/industries in 2-4 years) and gives you amazing bargaining power when you head into a full time position.
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