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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by fennecfoxen »

jodrellblank wrote: post #146
fennecfoxen wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ooh, what a delightfully aristocratic objection. We can't give the lesser peoples self-rule, they'd rule themselves wrong!! Have you considered any noblesse oblige -style colonization and rule of third-world nations? Sounds like a good match.

That looks like the author is not saying "they'd rule themselves wrong", they're saying "they'd rule me against my wishes by voting conservative reactionary and ineffective laws into my life"

The feeling is probably mutual, for what that's worth -- as evidenced by the first amendment and a wave of religious-freedom restoration acts.

Postscript. You'd think a little geographic diversity and a federal system would let people let each other live in peace but instead we have national culture wars.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by Zigurd »

harperlee wrote: post #120
cm2187 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you need direct democracy. With modern communications, there is no reason to organize frequent elections on key issues, like in Switzerland.

Direct democracy only works if most of the voters have: 1) sufficient general education; 2) sufficient domain education; 3) time to read the law; 4) time to reflect on the law; 5) peers to discuss at length and with depth the law; etc. It's more efficient to have delegation systems. The problem is that both politicians and the press are corrupted delegation systems.

Alternatives like direct democracy and demarchy only have to work better, not perfectly, to be preferable.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by ryanlol »

fabulist wrote: post #159
ryanlol wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you recommend TrueCrypt? That's a terrible suggestion.

A lot of people seem who recommend TC seem to think the same about BitLocker. To be fair, TrueCrypt has been audited and the code is freely available; BitLocker is proprietary, and the code is only available to a select few under NDA.

TCs developers told you to stop using it, BitLocker's didn't. Even the people responsible for the audit recommend that people not use TC

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by coldcode »

RBO2 wrote: post #20

It is not a hasard to have this kind of laws in France. France hasn't known dictatorship for long. French representatives don't know what a Stasi-like security state would look like. It would be harder to have such a law in Germany. The low number of delegates during the vote whows how archaic the French politic system is: they are against their own party so they prefer to be missing. There is little discussion. And…

If you read enough French history you realize how paranoid governments there are about anything that might damage the power of the government, whether it be royal, republican or communist. You have enough coups and the like over time you tend to do anything to keep it from happening again. Though of course it does anyway...

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by seszett »

maccard wrote: post #118
gerty wrote: post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

I've never understood this - why is it allowed that they don't show up for these votes? (Not just in france)

People do not have to have an opinion on everything, do they?

It doesn't really work that way today, but in an ideal world I would find it good that the 30 people who understand computers vote while the 337 others abstain.

Also, I'm not sure how it works in other countries, but in France deputies usually have another job, you can't expect them to go to Paris on every wednesday to vote on things they don't even really know about.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by dandelion_lover »

harperlee wrote: post #120
cm2187 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you need direct democracy. With modern communications, there is no reason to organize frequent elections on key issues, like in Switzerland.

Direct democracy only works if most of the voters have: 1) sufficient general education; 2) sufficient domain education; 3) time to read the law; 4) time to reflect on the law; 5) peers to discuss at length and with depth the law; etc. It's more efficient to have delegation systems. The problem is that both politicians and the press are corrupted delegation systems.

There is no reason to go from one extreme to the other. People, who wants, can have direct democracy and the rest can choose anyone to represent them. Do you see any weak points in such organization?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by yodsanklai »

realusername wrote: post #98

(French here). This was quite expected, the government slowly adopted more and more laws to restrict freedom and to watch everyone during the past ten years, this is not the first nor the last law, this is just another step for the next law which will be even worse. The government is even censoring comments on social media about the law when it's not going in their direction (I'm not even joking). The French democrac…

> The French democracy has been completely broken for a long time

I'm not sure if it's a problem of democracy. Most people don't care. I've been discussing with a few French friends about this, and most them just don't see any problem (after all, "they have nothing to hide").

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by fixxer »

pikzen wrote: post #14

La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…

30 out of 577?! Is there no limit on a quorum in the Assembly? Might as well have a king.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by MidnighToker »

jackjeff wrote: post #135
Fiahil wrote: post #57

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Encrypting all communications is certainly the way to go. But, I wonder if we can make these systems completely inefficient by flooding them with false positives. Assuming we can figure out the patterns they are looking for in our communications, could this be a possible solution to force them to withdraw they "black boxes"?

Encryption won't solve the problem. 1/ They're after the meta data. Whether you have plaintext or encrypted communication, they still know to whom you talk. Unless you use TOR or VPN yourself out of the country, it's not going to help... 2/ Strict key disclosure laws. You can be thrown to jail, if you cannot decrypt some information when requested by a judge. That's true even in the case where you can prove the key i…

> 2/ Strict key disclosure laws. You can be thrown to jail, if you cannot decrypt some information when requested by a judge. That's true even in the case where you can prove the key is no longer in your possession...

How the heck is this supposed to work when TLS supports Diffe-Hellman?

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