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Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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I'm willing to give Spartan a chance, honestly. The ModernIE initiative taken by Microsoft the past few years feels like Microsoft gave IE to a team of competent engineers and told to run with it. They dropped support for older versions of IE and upgraded the technology behind it. Firefox is too slow. As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. I may be an outlier but I think most people wh…

> Firefox is too slow. Really? I didn't notice. Mozilla are working on the new generation of browser engine anyway (Servo), which is much more performant. However Firefox itself is nowhere slow.

I think "firefox is slow" partialy comes from people using css3 animations eg. this http://bartaz.github.io/impress.js/#/bored works smooth on my MBP as well as on my Ubuntu desktop whereas seems sluggish on FF (on both platforms)

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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I'm willing to give Spartan a chance, honestly. The ModernIE initiative taken by Microsoft the past few years feels like Microsoft gave IE to a team of competent engineers and told to run with it. They dropped support for older versions of IE and upgraded the technology behind it. Firefox is too slow. As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. I may be an outlier but I think most people wh…

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Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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post #96

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> Firefox is too slow. Really? I didn't notice. Mozilla are working on the new generation of browser engine anyway (Servo), which is much more performant. However Firefox itself is nowhere slow.

I think "firefox is slow" partialy comes from people using css3 animations eg. this http://bartaz.github.io/impress.js/#/bored works smooth on my MBP as well as on my Ubuntu desktop whereas seems sluggish on FF (on both platforms)

Looks pretty smooth to me in the latest Firefox (Debian testing), but if somewhere it's a bottleneck, to improve that Firefox should fully implement OMTC.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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post #96

I'm willing to give Spartan a chance, honestly. The ModernIE initiative taken by Microsoft the past few years feels like Microsoft gave IE to a team of competent engineers and told to run with it. They dropped support for older versions of IE and upgraded the technology behind it. Firefox is too slow. As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. I may be an outlier but I think most people wh…

> Firefox is too slow. Really? I didn't notice. Mozilla are working on the new generation of browser engine anyway (Servo), which is much more performant. However Firefox itself is nowhere slow.

Also try using apps which use flexbox intensively — FF triggers exponential slowdown when handling deeply nested flexbox layouts[0]...

[0]: https://github.com/philipwalton/flexbugs/issues/8

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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post #96

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> Firefox is too slow. Really? I didn't notice. Mozilla are working on the new generation of browser engine anyway (Servo), which is much more performant. However Firefox itself is nowhere slow.

Also try using apps which use flexbox intensively — FF triggers exponential slowdown when handling deeply nested flexbox layouts[0]... [0]: https://github.com/philipwalton/flexbugs/issues/8

I'm not sure why it's reported somewhere on Github and not in Firefox Bugzilla. If reporter cared about the bug he had to report it in the right place.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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When you say “I notice millisecond differences”, that means “one millisecond”. If you meant something more on the order of hundreds of milliseconds, you should probably clarify that.

I can survive on milliseconds of sleep every night. Preferably 27 to 28 million milliseconds, if you have to be so picky.

Exactly, that's the point minitech was making. Your statement is accurate. Saying you survive on a single millisecond of sleep each night would be clearly impossible - as is noticing single-millisecond differences in page rendering times.

You might dismiss it as pedantry, but there is a clear linguistic difference between "I notice millisecond differences" and "I notice differences of 300ms".

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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I don't know why you were down voted. We have to support Ie7,8,9,10,11 and 11 for metro in and out of compatibility mode across three fucking platforms due to control styling differences. Now we have Spartan and whatever shtcrock will ship as legacy. We'll lose IE7 when vista is dead. We'll be left with enterprise IE11 well into 2028! Why? In financial services all our clients are cheap, dumb and incompetent. Unpatch…

Is that really any different than if enterprise clients were demanding support for Firefox 2, Firefox 3, Firefox 4, etc? I've actually been in that situation, a place I worked in 2011 had a web app that only worked properly in Firefox 2.something. Blame companies for demanding an app specific to one version. Blame the developers for writing apps that only work on one version. Blame Microsoft for making breaking chang…

Actually its ensuring that all the show stopping bugs that IE has don't take our app out or make it unusable. Unfortunately clients don't upgrade their browsers if cost is involved.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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But it's for people running 7 and up, for one year. The 70% of Chinese users on XP aren't going to see the benefit of this. (Why didn't Microsoft make it for XP too? They want to squeeze that last sale out of people. They don't realize the greater threat is people leaving their platform entirely.)

Even Google doesn't support new versions of Chrome on XP anymore. There is just a point where the OS is outdated. Not many people run XP in China anymore. Maybe some netcafes with pirated versions that they don't want to upgrade. Its really been a while since I've seen anyone run XP in Beijing.

They still support Chrome on even XP SP2. What is frustrating is the users running XP SP2 (not even SP3) in Japan and France for example.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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My take on this while not a horrible decision, it is a weak one for MS. My rationale;

1. 70% of the world doesn't care about their browser and will use what’s is put in front of them. There was that classic video where people didn't even know the difference between the internet and a browser a few years back. For this 70% unless someone swaps then to another browser, which thankfully people love doing, they'll use IEX for the rest of their life. These people have been trained to click the blue 'e'. Why take that away from the masses and open the door for them to look for alternatives?

2. For the remaining people that do care about a browser, we're going to know if it’s a great browser or not. We understand IE6 is not IE11. In the same was FF was awesome a few years back, we know it’s fallen back, and would recognise it improving if it (hopefully) does.

3. Microsoft announcing they will create a new & awesome browser, and actually doing so, are not connected. It wouldn't surprise me if MS invest all this marketing money on spinning a product that is just as frustrating as IE, just for a new set of reasons. And now we have brand confusion + an annoying browser with a bad name. People prefer familiar bad, than unfamiliar bad.

4. Microsoft is a bloody big and wealthy company. They can afford developing 2 browsers for a while. Why not launch and release this Spartan browser 'for power users'. They can use it as an experimental ground to push boundaries whilst not risking the stability and working of their core product. As this team proves their metal, they can push components of Spartan into IE, or not if the browser fails to deliver. Spartan can be used to buy new street cred for MS. Mum uses IE but young me uses Spartan. And if spartan succeeds by default it will bring credibility to IE, risking much less if it fails to gain favour. As a marketing guy rather than building the conversation; Spartan vs Chrome I’d much prefer to have IE vs Spartan vs Chrome.

And if you bothered to read this far, you probably like browsers. So you might enjoy a video a buddy and I made while on holiday for some really serious (/s) browser speed testing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Except that Netscape was open sourced years before it became Firefox. That happened January 1998, which was 17 years ago , and 4 years before Firefox was released, which itself was over 12 years ago.

March 1998, and it underwent a pretty well-publicized rewrite as well... Firefox is not built on top of what was released back then (Communicator 4.x); it's built on top of its rewrite.

Ah, the fiasco that was the Mariner cancellation.
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