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Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by brudgers » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 10:58 PM UTC

mahyarm wrote: post #153

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #123

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I don't see why everything needs to be open source. People who simply don't like Microsoft will not use it just because it's open. Quite the opposite I think - they'd probably immediately fork it and provide an alternate download in order to hurt Microsoft. Are foreign governments a big market that Microsoft has lost a lot of customers from? I don't think so. The vast majority of the potential market for Windows is a…

When your debugging code, being able to see all of the code in the stack trace is valuable alone.

Good debugging tools that filter out the irrelevant are perhaps better. Odds are that any time you break out the debugger the fix is in your code not Windows, Linux, the JVM etc. That's not to say those things don't have bugs, only that they are orders if magnitude more debugged than most code under development.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by xamolxix » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 10:59 PM UTC

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #123

Nelkins wrote: post #48

I would be curious to see the effects of completely open-sourcing Windows. Businesses would continue to use it, because it's Microsoft and they want enterprise support. I think it would get even more love than it already does from the development community. Piracy of Windows is already rampant, so they're not really in a worse position from that (plus I think that most people who can pay for Windows do so already). F…

I don't see why everything needs to be open source. People who simply don't like Microsoft will not use it just because it's open. Quite the opposite I think - they'd probably immediately fork it and provide an alternate download in order to hurt Microsoft. Are foreign governments a big market that Microsoft has lost a lot of customers from? I don't think so. The vast majority of the potential market for Windows is a…

> they'd probably immediately fork it and provide an alternate download in order to hurt Microsoft

They would fork it, but that is not why.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by Rapzid » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:02 PM UTC

radicalbyte wrote: post #73

Delmania wrote: post #44

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I'm not sure they will migrate Visual Studio. First they'd need to move WPF, which is implemented in DirectX. Second, Visual Studio and MSDN are still profitable. Third, there's the Omnisharp project that;s working on providing support for the more common IDEs on linux. In fact, there's nothing stopping people from making Eclipse and IntelliJ plugins.

I really hope that JetBrains are working on a C# support for IntelliJ. I'd buy the next version in a heartbeat if they offered it.

Haha, they just sent me an email about why I haven't upgraded to the latest ultimate version. I think cross-platform .NET(F#/C#) support would be the clincher.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by Naknut » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:04 PM UTC

saosebastiao wrote: post #160

So I'm still a little fuzzy as to what this means. Is this basically the same thing that Mono is trying to provide? Would it now be possible to have the F# front end link to the CoreCLR backend on Linux?

Thats kind if it. CoreCLR is the runtime that all .NET languages run in. CoreCLR doesn't run on Linux yet but they are working on it and once it dose all .NET languages (Including F#) should run on Linux.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by lukasm » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:23 PM UTC

hmm github can't preview cpp files https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/blob/master/src/gc/gc.cpp

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by voltagex_ » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:30 PM UTC

lukasm wrote: post #165

hmm github can't preview cpp files https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/blob/master/src/gc/gc.cpp

>(Sorry about that, but we can't show files that are this big right now.)

Because it's a gargantuan 1193.581 kb.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by andy_ppp » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:30 PM UTC

lukasm wrote: post #165

hmm github can't preview cpp files https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/blob/master/src/gc/gc.cpp

I think the file is a little too long for github to syntax colour it.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by brudgers » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:32 PM UTC

pekk wrote: post #108

brudgers wrote: post #86

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Who is going to support 20 million lines of code other than Microsoft employees as amateurs bungle their way through thirty years of patches for backward compatibility wrapped around stupid and clever things OEM's and third party developers did to get their code to work? It's not like Linux because there isn't a team of experienced volunteers already working on the code base and the Windows code base contains a lot f…

The answer is that nobody will support it as-is... they would just use the source to make or improve other things. Because this is what would be in the interests of the users. Even if it meant Windows got buried. But this is strictly imaginary because I doubt that 20 million lines of code are all under the unilateral control of Microsoft.

I think open source is great and I even admire Stallman because of not despite his single mindedness. I also don't think Windows being closed source is problematic. Choice is good and Windows is able to solve a particular set of problems efficiently by virtue of Microsoft's business model.

That model fit my needs and interests for many years. Less so now because my needs and interests have changed to where the tradeoffs Linux and Open Source impose are outweighed by their advantages. But other people have other needs and there are already enough first world problem zealots in the world.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by ploxiln » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:34 PM UTC

lukasm wrote: post #165

hmm github can't preview cpp files https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/blob/master/src/gc/gc.cpp

github suppresses views of syntax-highlighted files that have too many lines or too-long lines. They make browsers crawl or crash (too many elements...) and they're not useful for humans to try to view on a web page anyway.

I guess it's no surprise that microsoft software has a human-edited source file that's over 35000 lines...

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by brudgers » Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:34 PM UTC

zodiac wrote: post #128

brudgers wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is going to support 20 million lines of code other than Microsoft employees as amateurs bungle their way through thirty years of patches for backward compatibility wrapped around stupid and clever things OEM's and third party developers did to get their code to work? It's not like Linux because there isn't a team of experienced volunteers already working on the code base and the Windows code base contains a lot f…

You're right, it would be hard to contribute to such a codebase. I think the benefits of open sourcing Windows aren't really "developers will start contributing to it" as much as "developers will start reading the source code". Microsoft would continue supporting it.

Ok. Show me a business case analysis.