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Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#161

I'm not a India software industry expert, so excuse me if this sounds like a dumb question. Isn't it a terrible economic idea for India to block access to Github? I thought India was really big into software engineering?

Yes, it is a terrible idea. But you are assuming that the people running the country and the ones electing them are competent individuals who have the best interests of the country in mind.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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Arvind Gupta, the head of IT Cell, BJP Tweeted: "The websites that have been blocked were based on an advisory by Anti Terrorism Squad, and were carrying Anti India content from ISIS. The sites that have removed objectionable content and/or cooperated with the on going investigations, are being unblocked." This is bad. archive.org by default should have all sorts of offensive things on it. Pastebin and github should…

I run https://snipt.net , one of the sites listed as being blocked, and I've never received any communication from anyone with the Indian government or ISPs. So they're not proactively doing anything to unblock these sites, as far as I can tell.

Sorry for your troubles.

If you don't mind me asking, I'm interested in how much traffic has dropped since the blocking?

Are you seeing people come in around the block, possibly?

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#163
post #51

Why block sites like gihub instead of issuing DMCA takedown notices? doesn't make sense.

DMCA is about copyright, there's no copyright violations here. Furthermore, DMCA is an American law, and does not apply to India. Finally, even if it was American law, it's not a law for the government to use, but rather the citizens.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has a point, you know. His claims are: 1) IS is not a terrorist organization, it is an army. 2) IS is better, or at least not worse, than existing middle east governments. 1 seems pretty obvious to me. Sure, they are terrorizing the local population, but lots of governments do that without being labeled terrorists. 2 is more difficult to swallow. Many ME governments are pure garbage, but IS looks a lot worse.

Reports from experts in the region indicate that, as crazy as it sounds, (2) is correct. ISIS has built up an excellent reputation for stamping out corruption and running efficient social services and police forces within poor communities. Their horrifying acts of murder and collective punishment are often unrelated to the simple business of day-to-day-life. Think about living in a poor town with ongoing struggles wi…

Hitler probably seemed better at first than the group he replaced. I worry that with ISIS we have the same situation.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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And the response there is just as lame: "The Home Minister today asked the state government to install CCTVs in all key places in the city." And they're going to ask restaurants to close at 1am on New Year's... As if that'd accomplish anything.

They might have specific intel on something. Just as possibility...

And... wouldn't publicly asking all restaurants to close before 1AM reveal the nature of their intel to those they're trying to counteract?

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#166
post #4

Arvind Gupta, the head of IT Cell, BJP Tweeted: "The websites that have been blocked were based on an advisory by Anti Terrorism Squad, and were carrying Anti India content from ISIS. The sites that have removed objectionable content and/or cooperated with the on going investigations, are being unblocked." This is bad. archive.org by default should have all sorts of offensive things on it. Pastebin and github should…

I run https://snipt.net , one of the sites listed as being blocked, and I've never received any communication from anyone with the Indian government or ISPs. So they're not proactively doing anything to unblock these sites, as far as I can tell.

Don't expect the people from India to contact you. They are just too dumb to do this.

People who makes such decision have no knowledge of internet and what are good and bad sites.

PS - I am an Indian

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The websites were blocked for hosting content that is pro terrorist group ISIS and not cooperating with government investigations , officials said." For some strange reason I'm inclined to believe you rather than India's government officials.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have no problem whatsoever with removing offending content from Snipt. I regularly remove and ban users who post illegal or otherwise inappropriate content on the site. If they contact me, I'll happily remove anything even remotely "pro terrorist group ISIS", but as mentioned, I've received no such requests (and I don't proactively review private snippets for offensive content unless it's reported to me).

Do you have a terms of service and/or privacy policy? I can't locate it.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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By that definition, ANY fighting would be terrorism. Was the Vietnam war terrorism? We definitely terrified some members of the local population. Were the actions by Japan or Germany in WWII terrorism? By some definitions of terrorism, all of the above would count as terrorism. At that point, the term seems to be pretty useless.

Germany, Japan, the UK and the US (among others) all did things in WWII that count as terrorism, and no, the term isn't useless. The textbook definition, "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims" is exactly what was happening in the war, although I would add the caveat that it's violence and intimidation against civilians. Using violence and intimidation against enemy troops is just regu…

I don't know where you got that textbook definition, but it sounds useless to me. What violence and intimidation is not done in the pursuit of political aims, aside from low-level street crime? Even adding the qualifier against civilians doesn't seem to help much, as civilians not being deliberately targeted is very much the exception in warfare historically.

My definition is "Violence and intimidation, conducted by an organization not directly under the control of a national government, targeted deliberately at civilians, for a political purpose". Much of what is popularly referred to as terrorism is closer to guerrilla warfare.

I don't entirely agree with the linked post above, but I would also not call ISIS a terrorist organization. They may be major-league assholes who need to be dealt with somehow, but they're more of a statelet attempting to practice regular warfare, including controlling a specific territory, establishing their own political system, etc.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#170
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A terrorist, I seem to remember, is someone whose main political tool is the spread of terror. A bombing is not terrorism unless used in the pursuit of political gain.

> A terrorist, I seem to remember, is someone whose main political tool is the spread of terror. The definition has shifted, especially after 9/11, but for the sake of discussion let's use the one you've proposed. > A bombing is not terrorism unless used in the pursuit of political gain. The point is that only certain political goals (the ones that the US wants to de-legitimize) can qualify an act of violence as terr…

That's not true at all. Hypothetically if the government of Pakistan were to conduct drone strikes against the US and hit only military targets then the US government would certainly not label that as terrorism. Countries are labeled as state sponsors of terrorism when they — or non-state organizations that they support — use violence for political reasons against international civilian targets.

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2010/170260.htm

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