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Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by Normati »

tobltobs wrote: post #37
Normati wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human rights are a luxury of stable, developed countries. If autocratic governments are too liberal with them, they can lose their power, and that can end up worse than all the human rights problems put together (ie civil war). See Iraq or Syria for example.

Or human rights are a requirement to become a stable, developed country.

Not a requirement. Eg USA didn't have them half a century ago despite being mostly developed (I understand some parts are still a bit wild west), and fairly stable (probably not really going to be taken over by communism).

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by edwinyzh »

epynonymous wrote: post #156

i didn't rtfa, but this is nothing new, i've been in shanghai since 2007, afaik, google services (including gmail) have been hard to access, it was really after eric schmidt put the assault on china by making things public (circa 2010) that things started to get to really bad. from memory, 50% of the time, google services (search, gmail, apis, compute engine, office apps, etc) would not work back in 2007, in 2010 pro…

Hi, maybe I ask what's "mpls", did a Google search but had no luck.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by strebler »

kweks wrote: post #16

I've had less and less success with VPNs in China - I resort to SSH tunneling / SOCKS proxies on personal boxes. SOCKS proxies will get cut off after ~1h or so, you'll have a 'cool down' period of a few minutes, and then they'll come back. Presumably this is to irritate, or perhaps to have a chance to see which requests slip through during the disruption.

Have you tried obfsproxy? You can make a tunnel that looks like web/skype/etc traffic, it's worked well for us in China when we've needed it.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by CamperBob2 »

interdrift wrote: post #101
dengnan wrote: post #31

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We do care. The problem is: What can we do? Using technical method to get through GFW? Well, it works now but technically, Chinese government controls all Internet facility and they do not even care to block thousands of IPs, even if it means block the whole Internet (It happened in Xinjiang and Tibet.) Moreover, ISPs constantly throttle the international data which means connecting to a server outside GFW may be ver…

Ummm...fight for your rights?

Interestingly, "fighting for your rights" seems to be one of those things that works only when a small minority is doing the fighting. For instance, the American revolution was instigated and conducted by a few discontented landholders, without seeking permission or widespread acceptance from the broader population. If the means for widespread democratic input had existed in the years leading up to 1776, would Washington have been able to mobilize successfully? Or would the mainstream media have been co-opted by the British to proclaim him a "radical dissident" or a "terrorist," hopelessly marginalizing the revolutionaries?

That's the problem that any would-be Chinese or Russian revolutionary faces. Earlier revolutions could be conducted with the involvement of only 10-15% of the population, but these days, you can't do much to change things even with 80% of the population behind you.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by ximeng »

raverbashing wrote: post #80
ximeng wrote: post #69

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Chinese companies will push to internationalise their products as the domestic internet market becomes saturated

Depends on how behind they are and how quickly they can adapt to western needs

http://www.fastcompany.com/3029119/most-innovative-companies...

Bear in mind that it won't just be Western markets they target.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by neolefty »

jorgecastillo wrote: post #38
akramhussein wrote: post #3

Travelling in China right now. No Google services work but Gmail via SMTP on my iPhone seems fine. I'm not confident all emails go through though. Heading to Hong Kong tonight so not sure if that will be different. Using VPN does open everything but obviously becomes slower. It's not only Google though, all social media. Speaking to locals they don't care. There is an alternative for everything and they are better su…

>There is an alternative for everything and they are better suited to Chinese culture too. Well good for them, either way with this policy the Chinese government enforces, I don't think China will be able to compete internationally in the software industry.

Every Chinese programmer I know, and also all the technical people such as network admins, use a VPN routinely and openly now. That was not the case two years ago, when more Google services worked.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by gebegb »

atoponce wrote: post #114
edwinyzh wrote: post #65

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If you guys are having a difficulty understanding what is 50 cent party ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party ), or its derivation, Ziganwu ( http://www.china.org.cn/china/2013-12/27/content_31021911.ht... ), I guess atoponce can be an example.

China has more Internet users than most countries have for a population. It has a cornucopia of content and services that would rival the "free Internet" you and I enjoy. It's hardly a digital vacuum mainstream media would like you to believe. It's no North Korea. Sure, there are social and political issues, but most Chinese Internet users are very happy with what's available to them. The reality is, there are two "I…

Sure, they all musterbate in their great Chinese Dream.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by justicezyx »

gebegb wrote: post #168
atoponce wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has more Internet users than most countries have for a population. It has a cornucopia of content and services that would rival the "free Internet" you and I enjoy. It's hardly a digital vacuum mainstream media would like you to believe. It's no North Korea. Sure, there are social and political issues, but most Chinese Internet users are very happy with what's available to them. The reality is, there are two "I…

Sure, they all musterbate in their great Chinese Dream.

same as all who musterate in their great American Dream...

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by kaptain »

Any HN'rs who live in China use Fastmail? Can you share your experience?

I'm thinking of switching over but my primary concern is whether Fastmail encounters similar problems to Gmail. (You might recommend using a VPN all the time, but that doesn't always work for me).

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