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Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

jfeser wrote: post #156
jack-r-abbit wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of starting with each machine having the entire list of numbers, wouldn't it just be easier to read each number it encounters, store it and then check future numbers against the stored list? There are sooo many more numbers my machine will never see. Why keep them all stored in all machines? And if they are concerned about running out of numbers and repeating them, there could be a timestamp attached to each…

AFAIK, the original reason for the DRM was to prevent other companies from selling K-cups, so it would need a way to validate each cup, not just prevent reuse.

Doh! I totally forgot about that part. LOL

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by rancur »

mwti wrote: post #43

My Keurig's electronics died and I was able to recreate them with an Arudino: http://i.imgur.com/1wWxu37.jpg With this I can customize the temperature and use PWM on the pump to adjust pressure/flow. :D If I had to use that 2.0 model I'd just lobotomize it right out of the box.

haha, anyone remember the linux coffee machine controller?

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee-1.html

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by rancur »

nirvdrum wrote: post #109
pcthrowaway wrote: post #102

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Probably if it factors in how much R&D went into the DRM, the production price per unit increases. Nothing else about it is terribly complicated.

The Boston Globe Magazine had a pretty good piece on them a few years back. It was far easier to read in print, but I think this the article: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/2011/0807/ Most of the R&D went into the cups themselves. Simple as they seem, it appears the company went through a lot of iterations to get the right gas mixture and volume right to have fresh coffee with long shelf-life.

if by right gas mixture you mean 100% nitrogen, it's inert, and is used in tires and bags of chips. When the bags of chips are opened, however, the other special ingredient 'crisp' that they put in escapes

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by rancur »

parennoob wrote: post #47
snarfy wrote: post #4

Another solution is to not buy Keurig machines.

Yeah, I'm gradually coming around to an RMS-y way of thinking – having to tape small bits of an old K-cup onto my Keurig 2.0 is DRM bullshit that I have no room for in my life. Fuck them. Some people will use the new Keurig and its DRMed cups because it provides them with enough value. I will completely bypass this nonsense and make a DRM-free cup of dirt cheap coffee that stimulates my senses, as outlined in another…

we're getting very efficient at permanently extracting wealth from the middle class

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by rancur »

nkozyra wrote: post #72
qsymmachus wrote: post #28

DRM-free dirt cheap coffee: 1. Bring water to boil in a pot 2. Add 2 tbsp ground coffee per cup of water 3. Kill the heat, cover for 5 mins 4. Pour into cup through fine colander or cheese cloth Seriously it's delicious and you already have the tools you need in your kitchen.

8 p.m. Stick ground coffee in a filter. Submerse in water. Place apparatus in refrigerator. :next morning: Remove apparatus and filter containing coffee. Heat coffee for 1 minute in microwave. Significantly less bitter, delicious cold-brewed coffee.

if you like this, you might like one of these

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61DFW0RJVxL._SY355_.jp...

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by perrylaj »

cdingo wrote: post #149
nyolfen wrote: post #144

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long story short, transparent plastic containers tend to imbue their contents with a chemical called bisphenol-a (aka bpa), which is a compound similar to estrogen which may impact human physiology in a wide array of ways[0], or chemicals that are structurally related that aren't well studied but could be similarly damaging[1]. this applies to all transparent plastics and isn't specific to aeropresses [0] https://en.…

The Aeropress has been BPA free for years now. http://www.aeropress.ca/faq/

That may be true, but unfortunately research is showing plasticizers of many varieties (including those used in "BPA Free" plastics), are endocrine disruptors.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016648014...

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by shutupalready »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #27

This video took me on a little YouTube adventure which led me to this site[1] giving away a little thing to clip onto your K2.0 machine for a nicer looking bypass. I don't have a K2.0 machine so I can't verify that it works. But it appears to be free so what have you got to lose? [1] https://www.gourmet-coffee.com/Keurig-DRM-Freedom-Clip.html

I applaud the fact that they don't seem worried about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that makes it illegal to create devices that bypass DRM. DMCA is supposed to apply only to protecting copyrighted works, but prosecutors and lawyers in general try to extend the laws in all sort of crafty ways, and usually companies are too fearful to try anything proactive.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by jmhain »

BrainInAJar wrote: post #158
esaym wrote: post #148

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Strangely, I heard somewhere recently that french press coffee has toxins in it that would normally be filtered out by the paper filter...

that'd be the cholesterol, and there's not a good link between it and blood cholesterol

No, it's Cafestol, which unlike dietary cholesterol does substantially increase serum cholesterol. Whether it's the harmful kind (LDL pattern B), I've been unable to figure out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafestol

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

shutupalready wrote: post #167
jack-r-abbit wrote: post #27

This video took me on a little YouTube adventure which led me to this site[1] giving away a little thing to clip onto your K2.0 machine for a nicer looking bypass. I don't have a K2.0 machine so I can't verify that it works. But it appears to be free so what have you got to lose? [1] https://www.gourmet-coffee.com/Keurig-DRM-Freedom-Clip.html

I applaud the fact that they don't seem worried about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that makes it illegal to create devices that bypass DRM. DMCA is supposed to apply only to protecting copyrighted works, but prosecutors and lawyers in general try to extend the laws in all sort of crafty ways, and usually companies are too fearful to try anything proactive.

That depends. Does Keurig even consider this to be DRM and protected under the DMCA? Or is that just what we call it because that is what we talk about on HN.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by shutupalready »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #159
adamswann wrote: post #134

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I agree, but I don't know that it's even necessary for Keurig to go to court to realize the value of the DRM scheme. Their weak DRM certainly serves as a deterrent to the average consumer, but even more so to the mainstream coffee distributors that have been selling "knock off" cups up to this point. Community Coffee, which is a major roaster/distributor in the deep south, just caved and penned a licensing agreement…

It might be a turn off to ship your coffee with instructions on how to cut the top off a 2.0 K-cup. But if your K-cups just needed an "adapter"[1] then many consumers would probably not think twice about it. We use adapters all the time to make one thing work with another. [1] https://www.gourmet-coffee.com/Keurig-DRM-Freedom-Clip.html

Wouldn't it be deliciously funny if the adapter was engineered such that all third-party k-cups worked, but Keurig's own k-cups ceased working. It should be possible; I thought of ways using electronics or a prism, but nothing simple yet.
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