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Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by StuieK »

stinos wrote: post #136
StuieK wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started slant.co for this. Closed question: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/2254/what-are... Open Question: http://www.slant.co/topics/1150/~what-are-the-best-keyboards...

Yeah slant is ok, but still needs more users/moderation to be as useful as SO (even despite questions getting closed). Eg I browse to http://www.slant.co/topics/799/~what-are-the-best-continuous... and it lists 'Visual Studio default theme' as an option with one recommendation. So I signed in but I see no way to tell a mod that it doesn't belong there? (I could add a con saying 'This is not a CI' though)

(couldn't reply to the child comment)

>Only some minor points, for the rest I really like the interface and functionality:

Thanks :) Do you like what we did with the sources? (example: http://bit.ly/1va9Aj6. The favicons act like tabs if you didn't notice)

- it's a tad confusing that in a list with questions every question has 3 links. Two of them are the same (queston title itself 'See All Options') so I'd remove the latter as it doesn't really add anything useful imo.

Good point. I'll double check with the analytics in the morning and see if we can simplify.

- it's not clear to me what the 'Best' sorting option means

It's very opaque at the moment as I'm experimenting with various sorting algorithms almost weekly. Once I nail something down I'll work on the UI transparency.

- a built-in way to link questions wouldn't be bad. For example there's a 'What are the best over-ear headphones under $200?' but also a 'What are the best over/on ear headphones around $300?' and in the latter the Sennheiser HD598 wins while it doesn't in the former. Something like a 'This is Related To' button which then pops up something similar to SO's duplicate question window.

We're building this! Not only "this is related to" but the ability to easily sync/add pro's from one occurrence of an option to another. (Yep, I'm aware of the potential issues with changing context, it's not going to be an auto sync, more like "suggested pros/cons/sources")

- which reminds me: not sure if it can be done but eventually you'll probably need a way to remove or rather merge duplicates

This is part of the same flagging project I'm in the middle of.

- just figured that after adding a pro, I still have to vote for it. It would make sense to do this automatically?

I keep going back and forth on this. A lot of people add pros/cons to be good community members, not necessarily due to them personally agreeing with them. I think it will end up being a checkbox that's enabled by default.

Thanks so much for taking the time to help us out! I'll keep working away until you describe Slant as "amazing" instead of "ok" :)

(btw if you want to help us shape the product even further we have a meta.slant.co)

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by stinos »

StuieK wrote: post #161
stinos wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah slant is ok, but still needs more users/moderation to be as useful as SO (even despite questions getting closed). Eg I browse to http://www.slant.co/topics/799/~what-are-the-best-continuous... and it lists 'Visual Studio default theme' as an option with one recommendation. So I signed in but I see no way to tell a mod that it doesn't belong there? (I could add a con saying 'This is not a CI' though)

(couldn't reply to the child comment) >Only some minor points, for the rest I really like the interface and functionality: Thanks :) Do you like what we did with the sources? (example: http://bit.ly/1va9Aj6 . The favicons act like tabs if you didn't notice) - it's a tad confusing that in a list with questions every question has 3 links. Two of them are the same (queston title itself 'See All Options') so I'd remove t…

> Do you like what we did with the sources?

oh yes, that's nice. Bug (on FF) though: the favicon disappears after having clicked on a tabs.

Your effort/enthusiasm sounds good for the rest :]. I'll check meta.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by Avalaxy »

alexggordon wrote: post #152

Firstly, bravo. I really applaud Microsoft for realizing what it wanted to have in a Q&A site, and realizing Stack Exchange was that realizing. Then realizing that people are probably going to go to SE, instead of a Microsoft forum or product. That said, I think Microsoft is going to be in an adapt or die philosophy for the next few months, and I think this is one of those decisions. They know they need to foster a c…

> The only thing this piece is missing is a better hardware platform, so I'm going to be very interested in seeing what Microsoft can produce in the coming months.

Why? Honestly, I think the Surface tablets and Nokia's Lumia devices are really high quality.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

Avalaxy wrote: post #163
alexggordon wrote: post #152

Firstly, bravo. I really applaud Microsoft for realizing what it wanted to have in a Q&A site, and realizing Stack Exchange was that realizing. Then realizing that people are probably going to go to SE, instead of a Microsoft forum or product. That said, I think Microsoft is going to be in an adapt or die philosophy for the next few months, and I think this is one of those decisions. They know they need to foster a c…

> The only thing this piece is missing is a better hardware platform, so I'm going to be very interested in seeing what Microsoft can produce in the coming months. Why? Honestly, I think the Surface tablets and Nokia's Lumia devices are really high quality.

I think the Surface tablets and Nokia's Lumia devices are really high quality.

I agree, I would buy a surface pro if I could get it without windows.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by Avalaxy »

stefan_kendall3 wrote: post #71
sajt wrote: post #7

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I think Stack Overflow has been getting worse and worse in recent years. Their community is outright hostile to active discussion. Only directly answerable questions are tolerated. Microsoft is (as always) a few years late to the party.

People now seem to be afraid to answer for fear of downvotes, and those that do get downvoted go on a witch hunt and downvote anything you've ever posted. It's terrible.

No problem, SO detects that and reverts their downvotes :)

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by solistice »

the_af wrote: post #59
solistice wrote: post #44

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Isn't Jeff Atwoods working on Discourse right now?

Isn't Discourse software aimed at improving internet forums rather than a discussion venue in itself? It's not comparable to stackexchange, which is software plus a community.

But stack-everything only has such a vibrant and focused community because community rules have been made as clear as they have. If you go through Jeff Atwoods blog, you'll see that they are making the same considerations for Discourse, which has it's own "community rules" that ship with it. They're not only writing better forum software, they're also investigating what makes great forums great and horrible forums horrid and they're baking it into their product.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by gsnedders »

Encosia wrote: post #92
jessedhillon wrote: post #69

I don't understand why Microsoft continues to make it's own rendering engine. I get that they need a web browser they can control and distribute with their OS, but why a rendering engine? Especially one that, in my region (SF bay area), runs natively on fewer than 1% of the dev machines I see out there. If somebody were inclined to test their site for IE they'd most likely have to go through the hassle of setting up…

I'm glad they do. IE9 spurred a lot of competition around GPU accelerated 2D rendering and we all benefited. Even now, IE11 and 12 are dramatically faster than Chrome on my laptop in terms of how quickly pages load, scroll, etc. Even though I don't use IE as my default browser, I think I probably continue to benefit from their performance work. Regardless, Trident isn't going anywhere since Windows Store apps built w…

They've also pushed the market into caring more about effects on battery life.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by k-mcgrady »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #165
Avalaxy wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only thing this piece is missing is a better hardware platform, so I'm going to be very interested in seeing what Microsoft can produce in the coming months. Why? Honestly, I think the Surface tablets and Nokia's Lumia devices are really high quality.

I think the Surface tablets and Nokia's Lumia devices are really high quality. I agree, I would buy a surface pro if I could get it without windows.

What OS would you want to run on it? I can't think of something better suited. Android apps aren't optimised well for a large tablet and iOS is too focused to work well on a device that is supposed to allow you to replace your laptop. You could run a linux distro but I don't know of many that are touch optimised very well (Ubuntu has something in the works but I read recently it's definitely not ready for primetime yet).

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

#170

Post by k-mcgrady »

cesarb wrote: post #142
MichaelGG wrote: post #106

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Correct. Microsoft did this for Azure support. I had a question, they redirect you to post on SO. And then the question is closed because it's off topic. Now moving to a dedicated Stack Exchange site would be fine (like AskUbuntu). The software is OK, it's just the idiotic mods and hostile users that make SO suck. I asked a question on Server Fault, and 5 years later someone added a helpful, perfect answer (a new lib…

Strange. There's even a badge (the "Necromancer" badge) for answering an old question: "Answered a question more than 60 days later with score of 5 or more".

I don't think all the badges are for good things. I recently got a 'peer pressure' badge for "Deleted own post with score of -3 or lower."
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