What does this mean for ReactOS?
ReactOS seems mostly meant for supporting old Windows applications (a very noble effort). So... nothing?
Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
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#1622015 is going to be a year of Microsoft.
We shall see. There is lots going on, both from Microsoft and from the rest of the OS community. It's definitely going to be interesting.
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Nice theory... but they went the opposite direction with Nokia. I don't think they'd have any issue purchasing Xamarin and importing/re-branding.
Nokia is a totally different case, so doesn't invalidate his theory. Nokia sells to consumers, so there wasn't the problem (as his theory suggests) of corporate clients not wanting to have business with MS. Not saying that his theory is correct, just that it's different case to Nokia.
Nokia was also definitely pre-Nadella. The Xamarin theory supports Nadella's whole "cloud and mobile services" schtick.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seeing comments like this “I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past” always reminds me of this post from Hanselman http://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx
- Stacker - Netscape - SCO And many others besides. Companies have reputations just like people do (that's why we call them 'incorporated') and just like you can lose your trust in a person you can lose your trust in a corporation. This is not about Microsoft just doing 'stupid stuff sometimes' it is about institutionalized criminal behavior sanctioned at the highest level of one of the largest software companies in…
Your M.O. is to shit on anything Microsoft.
Microsoft, Google, Apple and every other F500 company has engaged in "institutionalized criminal behavior sanctioned at the highest level" yet I don't recall seeing you in other threads.
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#165I know it's silly but I'm tearing up. I grew up with .NET but neglected it for years because of moving to OS X, iOS and web dev. I played for some time with Xamarin and I'm so happy this is where MS is going. a lot to do with it.
Is this Microsoft's runtime or Miguel's? I can't work out whether: - he's made it (if Mono is everywhere and now blessed by Microsoft) - he's ruined (if Microsoft's original Windows-only .net runtime is now everywhere, and there's no need for Mono) EDIT: apparently it's both - https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/532558786486370304
I think Xamarian made a very good move in getting into cross platform toolkits, rather than just relying on support contracts for Mono. At this point I think they're in a position where Microsoft Open Sourcing the .Net runtime isn't going to hurt them too badly.
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#166This is epic. Peter Thiel was right about creative Monopoly. The new Microsoft under Satya Nadella has totally changed the direction of Microsoft in just a few months. They had one of the best and rock solid development platforms and research division, and loyal customers. The new Azure cloud (Online + On Premise) along with the opening of .Net will change the playing field. I'm sure this is a great new for us develo…
I'd pin more of this on Scott Guthrie and Scott Hanselman, really. They have been championing this kind of behavior for years within MS.
But it's Nadela who allowed that vision to move forward.
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#167I hope this positively affects projects using outdated versions of Mono, like Unity. I'd love to see them move to a more up-to-date version of .NET, and I wonder if this could enable them to do that.
I hope not, this way we will see a bit more of healthy competition in the indie game engine space. This is something Unity desperately needs.
Honest question from an outsider: it looks like Epic and Crytek have finally gotten around to moving in to the "low-end" of the game engine market. What's still unique about unity?
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#168You were beaten to the punch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8595905
It's a different article of course. But I gave you an upvote anyway. Way too many "MS Open Sources .NET . . .. " links right now.
And the hanselman blog won't load for me.
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I am sure Nadella deserves credit, but I think the real genius behind this is ScottGu. Whoever it is, its a welcome change.
Policy is made at the top. I can't imagine this happening under Ballmer, though I agree with you that others (Miguel for one) have a lot to do with this.
Agreed. Just look at what Ballmer did with Office for iPad.
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#170This demonstrates the importance of documentation in the framework wars. What could Microsoft possibly gain from open-sourcing .NET? They already have a few thousand great developers working on their jeweled prize, designed to lure developers to the brand as resolutely, and immutably, as possible.
.NET going open source is Microsoft admitting that, despite its best efforts, developers still want to know whats going on behind the curtain, whether the mirror really works, and just what kind of smoke is being blown up their ass in the effort to capture their minds and bind them to the brand.