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Re: Just had a heart attack

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The US doesn't have debtor's prison. One would simply have a potentially staggering amount of debt with which to deal.

You say this as if being in debt and unable to make the payments, is no big deal. Getting calls from aggressive debt collectors at work, at home, on my cell, even to relatives and coworkers, is a form of "debtor's prison". When I asked for breakdowns of the debt itself, which I'm allowed to do under the FDCPA, I rarely got a breakdown of the total debt. One company responded to my request by serving me papers and fil…

You've put words in my mouth and then battered a straw man; if something is "staggering" it is quite serious/severe.

A rephrasing might be "no, you won't go to prison, but will be made miserable via other methods."

Re: Just had a heart attack

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You're quite lucky that you could afford that hospital trip. In the US, it would typically go like "My doctor made some tests and he said that it doesn't look like a heart attack but something is wrong with one of the lines on my ECG. He asked me if its ok to call the ambulance for doing more checks at the hospital. I said no, I can't afford that. So I died four weeks later." This isn't an exaggeration. Many people l…

My mother was a nurse for 20 years. She was extremely good at her job and worked in the ICU unit of Vanderbilt Hospital. One day she had a severe headache at home and once it subsided she sent me an email detailing five possible causes. Every item on the list was trivial except the fifth item which said "small aneurysm bleed". I, along with the rest of the family, asked her to go to the hospital but she refused because she did not want to burden the family with a $5,000+ CAT scan and hefty doctor expenses over what she insisted was a just an overreaction to a bad migraine. I assumed, because she was such a good nurse, that she knew best. I ended up moving near her soon after and had the privilege of spending many days with her and my brothers as a family until I received a phone call one night telling me she was rushed to the hospital. When I arrived at the hospital a clerk attempted to block my way to fill out insurance paperwork, I rushed by her and headed to the ICU. When I arrived to the ICU I was told the aneurysm had applied too much pressure to her brain, the doctor said there was no chance of recovery. Even in death she still helped others, her organs saved two other individuals that day. In my home upon my desk I have a photo of my mother and I, a print out of her email, an award she received for being one of the first volunteer nurses to arrive in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina, and a big pile of bills (ambulance ride, doctor examination, bed and care costs, etc).

Yes, I would agree, most people do not go to the hospital in the USA unless they are 100% positive it is required. This prevents many early visits to the doctor. People will often wait until the very last moment to get help.

Re: Just had a heart attack

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You're quite lucky that you could afford that hospital trip. In the US, it would typically go like "My doctor made some tests and he said that it doesn't look like a heart attack but something is wrong with one of the lines on my ECG. He asked me if its ok to call the ambulance for doing more checks at the hospital. I said no, I can't afford that. So I died four weeks later." This isn't an exaggeration. Many people l…

This is an exaggeration, and it's an unfortunate one, since it distracts from the truth of what you're saying. As many have pointed out, a person who chose to be taken to the hospital would be taken to the hospital and treated whether they could pay for it or not. The result of this would be a serious amount of debt, but likely could be paid down with a monthly payment. The worst case scenario is bankruptcy, which su…

You are wrong. I have actually had a doctor check something and then ask which health insurance I had before recomending a follow up examination (which actually revealed something serious).

If I had had lesser insurance and he had left me with a "it's probably fine", I might indeed be dead now as with the op.

Re: Just had a heart attack

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I usually don't pay attention to who's who on HN but last week there was an interesting debate on the status of semantic web, and the name "mindcrime" stuck as I appreciated his comments a lot. Always a bit of a shock to find out those virtual personas are made of flesh...

Hope you recover fast, and yeah EXERCISE (if the doctor says so).

Re: Just had a heart attack

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The two people should just leave the United States, start a life elsewhere. Argentina, Germany, Thailand, whatever. I suggest the same thing to folks with unmanageable student loan debts with no clear answer in sight. I think it's unfair for society to have burdened such debts on people who didn't know any better, who weren't equipped with the resources or the knowledge to make the right decisions. What do you do? Be…

So, run out of money - steal? That's hardly moral. Its part of the entitled "I'm so sad I got into this hole, and somebody should let me out" culture.

> So, run out of money - steal?

Pretty much. Though, compared with how corporations are fucking over little people left and right, it's hardly unwarranted.

This is not an unfamiliar story. There are people who did everything right, were kind and philanthropic their entire life, more than they should have been probably, but they find their whole lives suddenly ruined with just one accident. There are supposed to be certain trade-offs in a society, when one agreed to a social contract that they'll be nice to everyone, be law-abiding, pay their taxes which in part fund medical research, fund creation of roads and infrastructure that enable corporations to function and rake in money, etc., they expected for the system to be there for them in return when they had a time of sudden misfortune. If it's not there, I say fuck it, this is then time they also stop playing nice.

Re: Just had a heart attack

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Last year when i was 27 i had a strange feeling in my chest after smoking a cigarette, i didn't smoke for 4 years in row. After 2 minutes i got very nervous and i felt overall very strange. Two days later i smoked another cigarette and the same feeling started again, but this time it felt like ants are running up my neck. After 5 minutes and calming down me teeth started to itch. From day to day i got more and more w…

Thank you for this comment. For about a year and a half I've had problems with shallow breathing that have gotten worse and now just become normal (I always feel like I need to get a full breath, and can never do it because I breathe too shallowly when trying.) I have been having chest pains frequently. I went to see a doctor and without even listening to my chest said it was anxiety and to go see a psychiatrist.

That was a couple months ago. I think I'm going to go somewhere again. Maybe a psychiatrist, maybe a different doctor.

I'm the kind of person who just sits on things without really caring, and I probably do need to get this checked out.

Re: Just had a heart attack

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It's a partial truth though, right? There is a system for emergency healthcare for those without even medical insurance, isn't there? Also, wouldn't you "just" get treated, rack up a bill and then go to prison for non-payment - guess that might be worse than dying?

I have cyclothymia and panic attacks, and these issues were worst at 25-27. At that time, I worked for a startup and had no insurance. (Now I have shitty insurance, but that's a world better than none.) Of course, panic attacks are brilliant and creative in their ability to throw weird symptoms (phantom smells were my "favorite") and every time, I'd worry about the (small) chance that "this time" it was a physical he…

I know how you feel, went through the same thing. Stress is a killer, and combined with poor health, even more lethal.

Re: Just had a heart attack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say this as if being in debt and unable to make the payments, is no big deal. Getting calls from aggressive debt collectors at work, at home, on my cell, even to relatives and coworkers, is a form of "debtor's prison". When I asked for breakdowns of the debt itself, which I'm allowed to do under the FDCPA, I rarely got a breakdown of the total debt. One company responded to my request by serving me papers and fil…

Getting calls from aggressive debt collectors at work, at home, on my cell, even to relatives and coworkers, is a form of "debtor's prison" Well, have I got great news for you! There is this thing called the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Here it is: http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/rules/rulemaking-regulatory-r... Want to stop calls to your work, at home, on your cell and even to your relatives and coworkers? Sen…

It's clear you didn't read the post you replied to.

Check your political response reflex. It might be too hair-trigger.

Re: Just had a heart attack

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You're quite lucky that you could afford that hospital trip. In the US, it would typically go like "My doctor made some tests and he said that it doesn't look like a heart attack but something is wrong with one of the lines on my ECG. He asked me if its ok to call the ambulance for doing more checks at the hospital. I said no, I can't afford that. So I died four weeks later." This isn't an exaggeration. Many people l…

Couldn't this whole thread just be about wishing 'mindcrime' a speedy recovery and healthy future, rather than wading into politics?

Not really a reasonable expectation, unfortunately. To discuss stories of "I know this other person who also similarly fell sick" and "The current system is so bad if you get into trouble, X,Y, and Z should be different for better results" is very much a part of the coping and mourning process. And of course we wish mindcrime a speedy recovery.
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