> even modern elliptic curve implementations still produce surprisingly large keys.
> Modern EC public keys are tiny.
Well, which is it?
What's the matter with PGP?
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Re: What's the matter with PGP?
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're probably thinking of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGP_word_list [edit: See also this thread: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2001-March/0170... I think they're missing (what I think was) the point of the list -- I seem to recall this was meant for use over the phone, and the words were selected by machine learning to all sound different. I've always thought this was a massive case of over-engine…
Yes, that's the list I was thinking of. The linked discussion was interesting. Good find! Perhaps the GnuPG devs are right that hex finger prints are more internationally viable than English words.
I've been thinking a lot about using words to stand in for numbers (eg: fingerprints) -- and I think the idea is good. But i18n should be considered -- and the PGP world list is probably the worst example I know of. The only thing it has going for it, is that is already collected/created -- but seeing as how it's not implemented by gpg -- that is kind of moot.
Re: What's the matter with PGP?
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, that's the list I was thinking of. The linked discussion was interesting. Good find! Perhaps the GnuPG devs are right that hex finger prints are more internationally viable than English words.
I've been thinking a lot about using words to stand in for numbers (eg: fingerprints) -- and I think the idea is good. But i18n should be considered -- and the PGP world list is probably the worst example I know of. The only thing it has going for it, is that is already collected/created -- but seeing as how it's not implemented by gpg -- that is kind of moot.
I can see why it would be hard to find one set of words that are easy to pronounce/understand in every language and every culture. But perhaps that isn’t necessary? I’m thinking that this feature needn’t be available in every localized version of GnuPG. Or that there could be localized word lists for various languages.
Re: What's the matter with PGP?
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been thinking a lot about using words to stand in for numbers (eg: fingerprints) -- and I think the idea is good. But i18n should be considered -- and the PGP world list is probably the worst example I know of. The only thing it has going for it, is that is already collected/created -- but seeing as how it's not implemented by gpg -- that is kind of moot.
I can see why it would be hard to find one set of words that are easy to pronounce/understand in every language and every culture. But perhaps that isn’t necessary? I’m thinking that this feature needn’t be available in every localized version of GnuPG. Or that there could be localized word lists for various languages.
Maybe. I think sticking to something like the phonetic alphabet or "simple English" would be ok.
Re: What's the matter with PGP?
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't drive. Not for lack of trying. I seemingly can't develop the the muscle memory of unintuitive (to me) concepts like "clockwise is right" and "counter-clockwise is left", nor can I get used to the way a gas pedal actuates non-linearly. These are just two examples of a long list of problems that I have with the controls. Then there is the utterly confusing signage. I just can't do any of it, not without sweatin…
In what way are you contradicting Tharkun? I can't figure it out. "Please don't make the assumption that other's experience of the man-made world around us is in any way similar to yours, that's just not true." Where did s/he? I'm genuinely stumped. Learning to drive a car IS inherently hard (as in complex), just as "e-mail encryption and identity management", and that is a fact. If you for some reason are more or le…
What I said was to augment what he said.
But here's a true, I swear, you can probably check that it is, story just for you:
I didn't know how the whole army thing works when my time came. Just wasn't ever interested. Didn't know my sergeant from my brigadier.
The army took me seeing that I'm fit, for certain values of fit. Put me through boot-camp. That's when I landed in military jail for the first time. I could take everything that was going on in there only with a dose of humour, but grinning 24/7 was apparently not acceptable behaviour. But that wasn't what got me in jail.
There was one thing I could not take, absolutely. Still can't. There wasn't a moment to myself, I couldn't ever get alone in there. I had to always be accounted for, from their point of view; but from mine I couldn't find a place or the time to take a short meditation. I don't know what I have, but I've been getting through it all my life with meditation, and once that wasn't available I was heavily depressed. I thought of suicide, I talked of suicide, and that's basically all I ever talked or thought about. While grinning at anything they had to say to me in return.
So I went home. Took my stuff and went out the gate.
Later came back and went to military jail for a sentence. Then for boot-camp number two, as I didn't finish one.
But later when I did finish it on my second attempt, they didn't want me anywhere near a base anymore. They wanted me out of base for most of the time. They way to achieve this in the army is to make you a driver. This way you're driving around, not being in the base, problem solved.
If you read my previous comment, you know what the problem with that approach is. They didn't. So I explained, repeatedly. Any time they'd let me see an officer that was in charge of that kind of thing, I'd explain that I can't drive, won't ever be able to, and not even torture can "change my mind".
Either they have decided to test that last bit empirically, or just couldn't wrap their heads around the idea of someone not being able to do something that "any idiot could"; but long story short I've done 7 months of prison time in three separate terms over the span of 1.5 years before they saw me as unfit for service and let me go, and be as I am.
That is to say, you're not always in a position to find a workaround, if I may refer to your closing sentence.