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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by alexqgb »

bane wrote: post #50
georgemcbay wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's worth noting that Google had absolutely everything they needed to do this years ago, and just... didn't." This is so true and so sad. Google Voice, why are you so almost great and so neglected? I have to say though that my disappointment in Google Voice is quickly being matched by my disappointment in Google Maps which actually was great but continually gets less so with each release.

I would have agreed with you except I'm actually liking the very latest bump. Telling me which lanes to get into to make an exit? Brilliant. I think it's also taking traffic into account now.

UX on the turn by turn directions is peerless. But the original promise (a search box for the real world) keeps coming up short. Indeed, the results seem to be getting more unfocused and incomplete as time goes by.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by [deleted] »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #138
dfc wrote: post #135

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Did you really link to material on an ad company's website in order to provide evidence that advertisements are effective? Would you expect anything other than "ads are useful and effective" from an ad company? More importantly when OP said the slogans were annoying/disgusting, it was a statement of OP's personal opinion. OP never said in general the public finds these slogans disgusting/annoying.

An ad hominem if I have ever seen one! To answer your question though, yes as it gives a simple, researched and concise explanation as to why these are useful and might make the commenter think that they aren't as "meaningless" as they seem.

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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by rimantas »

samirmenon wrote: post #115

This was interesting: "Touch ID- For the first time, you’ll have the option of using Touch ID to sign in to third-party apps — there’s no need to enter a password. Your fingerprint data is protected and is never accessed by iOS or other apps." Will this be used significantly by developers?

Yes.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by greggman »

bane wrote: post #50
georgemcbay wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's worth noting that Google had absolutely everything they needed to do this years ago, and just... didn't." This is so true and so sad. Google Voice, why are you so almost great and so neglected? I have to say though that my disappointment in Google Voice is quickly being matched by my disappointment in Google Maps which actually was great but continually gets less so with each release.

I would have agreed with you except I'm actually liking the very latest bump. Telling me which lanes to get into to make an exit? Brilliant. I think it's also taking traffic into account now.

Telling you which lane to get in is like a 12 year old feature of car navigation systems isn't it? I certainly remember the car navigation systems in rental cars from 12 years ago having that feature.

Same with taking traffic into account, especially in Japanese systems which have done that since like 2004.

If Google finally got around to adding those features that's great but hardly worthy of "brilliant" praise for something that's been around for years.

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Post by sosborn »

prawn wrote: post #136
hsod wrote: post #92

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annoying I could understand but "really disgusting"? what is it that bothers you so much?

Disgust includes a "feeling of strong disapproval". I didn't physically throw up reading them, but I did read out a couple aloud in the office and scoffed. They're so smug and grandiose that it's very off-putting and I wish they'd just let the product speak for itself. (I use an iPhone, iPad and MBP.)

> I did read out a couple aloud in the office and scoffed. > They're so smug and grandiose

You have to admit there is a little bit of irony in this.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by Too »

mikeash wrote: post #146
duncan_bayne wrote: post #121

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Because iOS devices are single-user by design. Think of the amount of cruft you could cut from your average desktop OS if you didn't have to support multiple users. (I assume that, being UNIX under the hood, there actually are multiple users on an iOS device, for security. But these would presumably be invisible to the user, and not usable as login accounts).

What cruft? Have a button somewhere that lets you switch to a different user. When you switch, you enter that other user's PIN or password. Then you see their apps, have their data, etc. When you switch back, you see your apps, have your data, etc. It doesn't have to be very complicated. Even on a Mac, the "cruft" amounts to my name sitting in the menu bar, and having to choose who to log in as before I put in my pas…

It sounds simple but it's not. Take android for example, i thought i could quickly set up a guest/party account without my email and things like that. Creating the account and selecting the allowed apps was very easy, the problems came later.

First, all my system settings wasn't cloned, to the new account i had to re-add things you take for granted like my localized keyboards and stuff like that, can't remember if wifi passwords were included or not. Then comes application settings, many apps are unusable before you configure them properly, even the web browser is unusable in the default state on high dpi devices, you must change the default zoom level. Then it seems some apps actually share state, and in some cases rightfully so, finding out how they share it is a mystery. Some are designed with multi user in mind so you can in fact have a mail app accessible on both accounts without sharing your mails as the system accounts are linked to different mail accounts. Others are the other way around, maybe you want your 10GB music collection to be accessible from every account? Drawing the line of where and what should be shared is very difficult.

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Post by FeeTinesAMady »

criley2 wrote: post #97
ceejayoz wrote: post #65

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> Claims like "99% of malware exist on Android" didn't prevent Apple users across the west from having their devices hijacked for ransom. The feature used for this - remote locking of a stolen/lost phone - is present on both Android and iOS, as are weak passwords. That you're acting like that's an issue with the hardware/software involved is a good indication that you're trolling or fanboying.

"That you're acting like that's an issue with the hardware/software involved is a good indication that you're trolling or fanboying." I'm pointing out that just because Tim Cook makes a random hypey statement, it doesn't MEAN anything. I rightfully showed that iOS, without malware, is suffering from hijacks that aren't occurring in Android. Personally, if remote locking is capable of a hijack, I'd call that malware,…

criley2, your comments have started showing up as dead. I guess you can't criticize Apple so vehemently on HN.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by dpcan »

wan23 wrote: post #125
dpcan wrote: post #118

Still no user accounts on iPad. The only thing I want, and 8 versions in, it's still not there. Why I can't create a login for my kids on my iPad that hides my mail, calendar, certain games, etc? I don't understand why this isn't possible.

They announced new family features today that imply that they think each family member should have his/her own device.

Like I'm going to get my 5 year old an iPad. Not happening.

I let him use mine, and when he logs in, I want him to see a few educational apps... and that's it.

When we're at functions, we see parents let their kids use their iPads all the time, and they are always checking in to see if they've opened their email, or certain games, etc.

Maybe just a "Kids" login. It has NOTHING but a few apps of choice show up. Doesn't have to be a full user-account system, just a pseudo login that hides almost everything.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by nobbyclark »

TillE wrote: post #73
bane wrote: post #49

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Google's ability to "release and stagnate" is one of the hallmarks of the company's rather prolific product output. I honestly don't know how products are run at Google, but from the outside it seems that most of them are built and then just kicked off the back of a truck into a waiting crowd. If you hear any news later about a product it seems like it's news about a shutdown.

Yeah, it's really weird to see this pattern repeat again and again. Google has a few flagship products that get proper attention, but everything else...I just don't understand how it even gets developed in the first place, if they don't have a small team to continue working on it post-release.

> I just don't understand how it even gets developed in the first place, if they don't have a small team to continue working on it post-release.

From talking to PMs at Google, they have exactly this problem. Engineers are free to pick and choose what they work on.As soon as a product is released, hits "1.0", and the engineers have claimed whatever kudos they can, they move on to the "next big thing", leaving the PM alone with the product. That leads to situations where PMs can't even get basics like localizations to specifics countries / languages.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by nextweek2 »

mirsadm wrote: post #127
untog wrote: post #7

Call/SMS integration is great. It's worth noting that Google had absolutely everything they needed to do this years ago , and just... didn't. Hangouts is still inferior to iMessage today. It's a real shame. Edit: this extensibility stuff might be enough to tempt me back to Apple from Android, at last. Third party keyboards, too (I've gotten quite attached to the Android swiping stuff). Honestly, at this point, I'm no…

At this point both devices do the core functionality just as well as each other (email, browsing and maps). Android still has better "Google" integration which is important for me. Also I have gotten use to paying $350 for a Nexus device + $18/mo for my plan. I have no intention of ever buying another $800+ device or spending upwards of $100/mo for something which is about the same experience as I have now.

You are probably Generation X. They were less susceptible to advertising.

People that pay more for a similar product are not just buying the product, they are also buying style and the ability to set themselves apart from their peers.

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