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Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by klunger »

ColinWright wrote: post #20
klunger wrote: post #6

Ufda.

Is this what you mean? Uff da (sometimes also spelled huffda, uff-da, uffda, uff-dah, oofda, ufda, ufdah, oofta, uf daa, or ufta) is an expression of Norwegian origin adopted by Scandinavian-Americans in the 19th century. ... The expression has lost its original connotation, and it is increasingly difficult to specify what it means now in America. Within Scandinavian-American culture, Uff da frequently translates int…

Wow. I am not sure what all the downvotes are about. I am an American who is married to a Norwegian and have lived in Norway for a few years now. I never used the phrase when I lived in the US, but picked it up here.

"Ufda" is a phrase commonly used here to mean something along the lines of "that's too bad" or "how unfortunate," with undertones of sympathy (like when you would say "ouch"). The spelling is kind of besides the point, because it is generally a spoken phrase.

But if folks want to get really picky about authenticity, and apparently they do, "Ufda" is how my Norwegian friends spell it in text messages. Although, I am sure alternate spellings would be acceptable too.

I meant it here to say simply that it was too bad this guy got arrested, with undertones of sympathy and a bit of Scandinavian solidarity. Norway and Sweden are only jokingly rivals, but are actually very friendly.

Something obviously got lost in translation, probably due to the American-centric nature of this forum.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by Zigurd »

jakejake wrote: post #112
Zigurd wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just a mishmash of sentiments. Calling out a ripoff site design as unethical is very different that siccing the police on the people who made a torrent index. Start complaining about hypocrisy when someone goes to prison fro a GPL violation.

I find both examples unethical. However, I never expressed an opinion on the unfairness of their prosecution. You argue a point that I never made. I don't think they should be treated like murders and neither should a GPL infraction. The degree of punishment is a different issue from whether or not I agree with what they're doing. I don't find that mishmash at all and if you do then that's your own problem. You do ha…

Search for "Zigurd." The first download result appears on the 3rd page of Google's search results.

You are implying hypocrisy where none exists, and comparing vile mafia-like tactics that pull police resources away from real crime to the way that most actual content creators deal with downloads.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by consz »

Zigurd wrote: post #159
consz wrote: post #150

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Why do you not post TPB links to your books alongside the amazon links in your profile? Do you not want your sales to go up?

If you search my first name on Google, the first downloads of Programming Android appear on the third page of results. Not convenient enough for you? And what did I say about asking for a review copy?

With all due respect, no that's not convenient enough for me. And ideally I'd like to download your books without talking to you.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by mpyne »

Zigurd wrote: post #156
mpyne wrote: post #120

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So if the penalties were reduced to the same penalties for GPL violations, you'd be all for it?

In this particular case, I think that's about right: The RIAA/MPAA publishers should consider Pirate Bay disreputable and everyone else can make up their own mind whether to do business with them or not. That's how GPL violations work in practice. That's about how O'Reilly views people posting downloads of O'Reilly authors' books. That's why they don't use content protection on the e-books they sell. Content protecti…

Well, whether tainting or actual legal actions are taken depends on which GPL violation you're talking about. The Busybox developers are quite happy to pursuit legal options when lesser means fail, for instance, and I will certainly not say they're doing anything wrong.

I personally don't think copyright infringement warrants anything near the level of legal activity it had just a few years ago, so I'm glad the RIAA/MPAA are moving away from suing the pants off of everybody. But a lot of people seem to have the idea that copying digital works is morally right as long as you're stealing from a business, and yet simultaneously believe that copyleft should apply all the time, which is doublethink.

> Content protection mechanisms are poisoning computing.

So we should get rid of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL in the Linux kernel?

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by clarry »

heinrich5991 wrote: post #158
clarry wrote: post #139

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> In the end, it's not about 'making copies'. Yes it is, it very much is. > You're obtaining entertainment Right. Obtaining copies of recorded entertainment . > You're using a service I might be using the "service" provided by the peers who willingly and voluntarily partake in creating copies, with or without requiring a fee. There is no "entertainer" performing a show. He's not serving me. He's not fulfilling any re…

Just noticing: The bus would also drive there if you wouldn't enter it, and assuming the bus isn't full, you're not even costing the public transport company anything.

Yep. That is what makes fare evasion on public transport an interesting subject.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by Zigurd »

mpyne wrote: post #164
Zigurd wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this particular case, I think that's about right: The RIAA/MPAA publishers should consider Pirate Bay disreputable and everyone else can make up their own mind whether to do business with them or not. That's how GPL violations work in practice. That's about how O'Reilly views people posting downloads of O'Reilly authors' books. That's why they don't use content protection on the e-books they sell. Content protecti…

Well, whether tainting or actual legal actions are taken depends on which GPL violation you're talking about. The Busybox developers are quite happy to pursuit legal options when lesser means fail, for instance, and I will certainly not say they're doing anything wrong. I personally don't think copyright infringement warrants anything near the level of legal activity it had just a few years ago, so I'm glad the RIAA/…

I'm not familiar with those cases. Have they collected damages? Or just enforcing C&D demands?

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by atmosx »

consz wrote: post #149
atmosx wrote: post #32

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Sure, fine him 500 USD and make him to 100 hours of social work. Not 20 years and 45 millions essentially for movies that no one would ever pay for anyway, e.g. if I download 'Charlie's angels' doesn't mean that I'm willing to pay a ticket or a rent a DVD to watch the movie. Anyway, piracy is not good but the real price of renting an online movie, say from iTunes, should be about 0,30 USD. That way no one would bothe…

Why do you assume they are movies no would ever pay for? I've downloaded hundreds/thousands of movies from pirating sites that I'd be happy to pay for if I didn't have the alternative of pirating it -- that's easily $10,000+ in lost revenue just from me.

Well, the prior statement was my case. Your case is probably different. I don't watch TV, just sports for which I happily pay when possible (e.g. NBA) and don't pay and search online-shitty-streaming services when not (e.g. F1).

That said, I'm not sure you're the rule. Maybe neither am I, but either way... Software apart, digital media sharing/copying doesn't equal with stealing in THE REAL WORLD that's why people would always do it.

Imagine if I could steal your car and the owner could find it on the parking the next day ;-)

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by Kiro »

Kiro wrote: post #138
adamtulinius wrote: post #29

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.. but apparently the police haven't uncovered any evidence, and refuse to let him free because of fear of him tampering with evidence. His trial is scheduled to september, so basically the danish police has nothing on him (or they would just get the trial over with), and use some bogus claim to keep him in custody. So no, scandinavian countries aren't the worst, but they certainly aren't bright shining stars either.…

Everyone knows he did it.

People downvoting me obviously have no idea who anakata is. Stuff like this is what made him famous long before The Pirate Bay.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by sleepyhead »

sleepyhead wrote: post #136
anaphor wrote: post #4

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"Together sentenced Pirate Bay founders in addition to prison to pay damages of around 46 million." Yeah, that's never going to happen. The prosecutor in their case came up with some fantastical amount of money TPB is supposed to have made, but it's complete nonsense (see the documentary TPB: AFK for details).

The verdict is clear and has been passed. Whether you think it is complete nonsense is irrelevant.

Getting downvoted... Interesting to see that HN readers think their views is more more important than the rule of law. I'm not saying the verdict is correct. But debunking it as complete nonsense and "that's never going to happen" is a clear misconception how the world and the legal system works.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by mike_hearn »

anon4 wrote: post #46
clarry wrote: post #26

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Sharing is at worst a victimless crime. At best.. well I don't know about best but I'd say something about living in the future where we have the technological means to give people anything they need or want. That if something is wealth. And progress. Thievery is an inappropriate description of making copies.

At best it's free promotion. The thing is, piracy right now is rampant, but it doesn't seem to have a measurable effect on profits. As in, they aren't dropping. Edit: Here's a concrete example of "At best": http://anton.nordenfur.se/paulo-coelho-destroys-piracy-myths... In 1999, when I was first published in Russia (with a print- run of 3,000), the country was suffering a severe paper shortage. By chance, I discovere…

Eh? Music industry sales have dropped off a cliff starting around the year 2000. It's been a bloodbath, they're now at something like a third of what they once were:

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4d5ea3314bd7c8600a0...

Do you think people listen to a third of the music they listened to ten years ago? No way!

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