Live data from Hacker News

Getting to work on diversity at Google

googleblog.blogspot.com

161–170 of 252 posts

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#161
post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the places to force new perspective onto yourself the workplace just seems like an odd choice to me. If I want to experience different cultures a corporate office is probably the absolute worst place I can think of to do so.

Uhhh I don't want to "experience different cultures". People of other races and genders are not weird aliens that are going to challenge me. It's not like I'm asking to import some Ugandan field workers as colleagues. I just want to engage with more, different kinds of people from my own society. There are a lot of them out there.

I didn't mean "experience different cultures" in such a literal sense, but it's probably my own fault for wording it like I did.

Like you, I enjoy engaging with a lot of different sorts of people. I was mostly just commenting that I've found a lot more success doing so outside the workplace in my own personal life. Maybe it's the places I've worked? Hard to say.

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Diversity in points of view" is not an unalloyed good. There are significant coordination costs associated with it. It is also not something you get when you attempt to recruit people from the same sources and socio-cultural milieus with the same acceptance criteria, but of different genders and ethnicities. Hiring an ethnically diverse range of, eg, MIT/CMU/Stanford graduates does not engender diverse viewpoints. "…

> Hiring an ethnically diverse range of, eg, MIT/CMU/Stanford graduates does not engender diverse viewpoints. I don't agree with that statement. At the very least, everyone acknowledges that women and men in the same environment have vastly different viewpoints from each other. (Source: Approx. 50% of all jokes, also science) I think that ethnic diversity will also result in more diverse viewpoints, even when passed…

>At the very least, everyone acknowledges that women and men in the same environment have vastly different viewpoints from each other.

That's a pretty prejudiced statement. I have not observed this at all when it comes to work-related items, which is what is relevant in the workplace.

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#163
post #64

Are these diversity numbers for the US or for Google as a whole? If they are world-wide, I find it quite interesting how closely the location of the Google offices where software development occurs[1] matches the ethnicity numbers. Notably, there is only one development office in Latin America (and none in Spain/Portugal), and the only development office in the Middle East or Africa is Tel Aviv (not clear what ethnic…

Just a nitpick, but Spain/Portugal don't fit together - the Portuguese are not Hispanic. My ancestors from my father's side fought the ones from my mother's to prevent it :)

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#164
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Google employee, the reasons I hear is that we'd like the diversity of our workforce to more accurately reflect the diversity of our users, so we can serve them better.

[deleted]

It would be better if the NFL (and the NBA) would work on changing the diversity of their owners to match the diversity of their players.

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#165
post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhhh I don't want to "experience different cultures". People of other races and genders are not weird aliens that are going to challenge me. It's not like I'm asking to import some Ugandan field workers as colleagues. I just want to engage with more, different kinds of people from my own society. There are a lot of them out there.

I didn't mean "experience different cultures" in such a literal sense, but it's probably my own fault for wording it like I did. Like you, I enjoy engaging with a lot of different sorts of people. I was mostly just commenting that I've found a lot more success doing so outside the workplace in my own personal life. Maybe it's the places I've worked? Hard to say.

I have plenty of success interacting with different sorts of people outside the workplace. But I spend 40-50 hours a week at my workplace, so...

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#166
post #64

Are these diversity numbers for the US or for Google as a whole? If they are world-wide, I find it quite interesting how closely the location of the Google offices where software development occurs[1] matches the ethnicity numbers. Notably, there is only one development office in Latin America (and none in Spain/Portugal), and the only development office in the Middle East or Africa is Tel Aviv (not clear what ethnic…

You are aware that every country has "race" distinctions, even if they aren't the same as the US. E.g. in Tel Aviv, it would be interesting to know how many Palestinians are employed, or in Latin America, how many Africans and natives, in China, how many Tibetans and Uighurs? Upstream is important, but we should still make an effort.

> E.g. in Tel Aviv, it would be interesting to know how many Palestinians are employed

Why would there be Palestinians in Tel Aviv? That's like asking how many Canadians are in Tuscon. Unless they are citizens or residents they couldn't work there anyway.

Maybe you meant to say how many Muslims? Or how many Arabs? That at least makes sense.

But in any case, the actual "race" distinction in Israel is Ashkenazim vs Sefardim.

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#167

I found data (from 2012) for some other companies: http://money.cnn.com/interactive/technology/tech-diversity-d...

And here's an interesting demographics map of the Bay Area from 2010: http://minus.com/i/bgqCzuSwvcAi1

I wonder the extent to which Googlers' lives at work are affected by Google's new-found focus on diversity.

When a company's culture shifts, so will its output. It's inevitable.

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#168

It's {{current_year}} and people are still asking, "why does diversity matter?" Diversity matters for a lot of reasons. Perhaps most importantly, demographic diversity is strongly correlated with diversity in points of view. You want the people building your products to come from many walks of life. Remember how Google+ had significant uptake in the rich white tech dude demographic? Not a coincidence. If you want the…

> Diversity [...] is good for public relations.

That's pretty much the only reason tech companies are interested in diversity.

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#169

It's {{current_year}} and people are still asking, "why does diversity matter?" Diversity matters for a lot of reasons. Perhaps most importantly, demographic diversity is strongly correlated with diversity in points of view. You want the people building your products to come from many walks of life. Remember how Google+ had significant uptake in the rich white tech dude demographic? Not a coincidence. If you want the…

First I though that people should give X more of a chance in hiring, because they shouldn't assume anything about X's background just because they are X.

Now, at the same time, people say that we should hire X because they have a different background. That sounds like a fun backroom conversation in cases where the diversity-part doesn't work out - "We hired that black guy because we wanted more diversity on the team. It turns out, though, that he has a very, um, non-black background, by which I mean that he isn't really like a stereotypical black person at all. In fact, he grew up mostly with group Y, which we already have a majority of, anyway. So I had to let him go and find some other black people, in the name of diversity."

Re: Getting to work on diversity at Google

#170
post #154
post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[deleted]

You should be sorry for having such a persecution complex. How you can read the original article as an attack on white people is astonishing. It is beyond question (although I'm sure you question it) that white people are by far the most privileged group of people around today. To see yourself is a victim because of your race and gender is simply an excuse for whatever insecurities you might have. Most people in this…

> How you can read the original article as an attack on white people is astonishing.

He probably had that reaction because that's almost always the undertone in American discussions about diversity. It's never actually about reaching relative demographic parity.

Example: Google's charts show whites as slightly underrepresented compared to the working-age population at large and Asians as vastly overrepresented. Despite that, on their brand-new diversity-at-google page[1], what group do they choose to highlight? Asian Googler Network (AGN), under the banner "Connecting and advancing the Asian community at Google".

Interesting, huh?

I hate making comments like this, because it sounds like I'm resentful toward Asian people for their success. I'm not. I love it. Keep at it, guys and gals.

I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of the situation.

> It is beyond question (although I'm sure you question it) that white people are by far the most privileged group of people around today.

"Beyond question"? That's a quasi-religious thing to say. What about Asian-Americans? And what happens when you separate Jewish White Americans from non-Jewish White Americans? Do things change in your mind?

> You may have been disadvantaged in other ways, but by being white you do have an advantage, whether you like it or not.

It's complicated. In many ways, for a given income level, White American children do have it worse than American children of other ethnicities. One minor (but personal) example: They are the only children repeatedly and harshly conditioned to feel guilt and shame toward their ethnicity's success. That really messes you up as you're growing up.

Back to Google. According to your HN profile, you work there. What is the extent to which employees' lives at work are affected by Google's new-found focus on demographic diversity, and how has this cultural shift effected the company's output?

[1]: http://www.google.com/diversity/at-google.html

Post reply on HN