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Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Adblock+ has been fine for me. Has anyone had any problems? Personally, Adblock+ has earned my trust over a long period of time, so it's hard to see myself switching to something else unless the reason was dire.

Trusting Adblock is hard because of the "acceptable ads" feature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_Plus#Controversy_over_...

you can use adblock edge [0] -- it's a fork without the whitelist for ads

[0] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-edge/

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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post #155

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A website displays on _my_ computer. I should have more control over that "space" than a "public space", for sure. There's nothing wrong with wanting complete control of how my computer is being used. If the business model of the advertisers requires that they trust that my computer displays their ads then I see it as their fault for misplacing their trust.

> A website displays on _my_ computer. I should have more control over that "space" than a "public space", for sure. There's nothing wrong with wanting complete control of how my computer is being used. Who cares if it's _your_ computer? It's _their_ product or service you're using, which is offered to you under well-defined terms of use. You're free to not use it if you don't agree with the terms of use. Let's assum…

The site sends a bunch of data to my computer. My computer can choose to render it or not, and make further requests e.g. from ad servers or not. If a bunch of people show up at my house and I only let some of them into my basement, that's not the same as kidnapping!

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#163
post #63

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Then HTTPSB is not the right extension for you.

You are calling HTTPSB an alternative for Adblock Plus. One of the major use cases of Adblock Plus is effectively "Fire and Forget" mode - enable it and then don't worry about it. You are saying HTTPSB does not support this use case. As such, I don't see why you can call it an alternative to Adblock Plus.

It is an alternative. to all of like 1000 people worldwide who are willing to figure it out. So basically fire-and-forget mode, or broke.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#165

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

Banksy says it best: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticat…

You've entirely misunderstood both Banksy's quote and the conversation on this thread. He's talking about the co-opting of _public spaces_ for advertisement; Walking down the street is an activity that anyone has a right to do with no contingencies, and he sees being "forced" to see advertising as an intrusion on that activity. Whether or not you agree with him, that's certainly an internally consistent view of things.

On the other hand, what we're talking about here is explicitly choosing to request content from a webpage and then complaining that the ads are an intrusion. There's no analogue to "walking through a public space": no fundamental right to view content that other people made on exactly the terms that you deem acceptable. As poor a comparison as it may be, the comparison to shoplifting is FAR more accurate than the comparison to what Banksy is describing.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#166
post #63

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Then HTTPSB is not the right extension for you.

You are calling HTTPSB an alternative for Adblock Plus. One of the major use cases of Adblock Plus is effectively "Fire and Forget" mode - enable it and then don't worry about it. You are saying HTTPSB does not support this use case. As such, I don't see why you can call it an alternative to Adblock Plus.

That's like saying that walking isn't an alternative to driving because there's no wheels. It's different, has a superset of functionality, and a different interface. It isn't a fork of ABP.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#167

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I use tabs/windows as a todo list. I have 84 tabs open in my main window, and 36 windows open. Mostly I have 1 window per task, each with a few to a dozen tabs of related stuff. When I complete a task (or decide not to pursue it) I close the window. It's not the best way of organizing, but it actually fits my ADD/scattershot style of working pretty well.

I'm interested - what are each of your to-dos? Are they like, articles to read or are they actually specific pieces of work, say like, a wordpress page to edit?

I won't list them all, but here's a selection:

A hobby web site I was editing where I got stuck on some css, a (long) video I want to watch, research for an audio program I'm designing, data about an electronics hobby project I want to start, 2 pull requests I need to follow up on, an appliance I need decide on and buy for my kitchen, a web forum I need to integrate into a site of mine, a couple bug reports I need to follow up on, an amazon page of a video game I heard was worth my time, etc.

So...just random stuff. Some are personal, some are professional, some are home related, some are just key nuggets of info to remind me of something I want to look into at some point.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are calling HTTPSB an alternative for Adblock Plus. One of the major use cases of Adblock Plus is effectively "Fire and Forget" mode - enable it and then don't worry about it. You are saying HTTPSB does not support this use case. As such, I don't see why you can call it an alternative to Adblock Plus.

That's like saying that walking isn't an alternative to driving because there's no wheels. It's different, has a superset of functionality, and a different interface. It isn't a fork of ABP.

Walking from New York to California to transport 15 tons of perishable cargo VS driving a truck with a refrigeration unit.

Your analogy fails.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#169
post #104

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Sorry to be slightly off-topic, but since you mention NoScript and are familiar with that, this (HTTPSB) and ABP, can I ask. Is HTTPSB more of a NoScript alternative or an ABP alternative?

From the little experience I have with HTTPSB, I'd say that it was more of a NoScript alternative. It feels to me like a webbrowser firewall. They seem to have moved into the adblocking field now though. Here's how I see it: * Adblock (Plus): Blocking ads, No / minimal user action required * NoScript: Blocking scripts. Lots and lots of user action required. * Ghostery: Block privacy intrusions. Basically an applicati…

Sounds a lot like we need some volunteers to build a better UI for simple (adblock mode), a 2nd option to do a noscript equivalent, and a 3rd option for wild-west-browser-firewall mode.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#170

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But how does it apply? A website is hardly a "public space". This quote makes no sense in the virtual world where everyone can build his own planet without ads if he wants to. Space is not limited here.

The website as it displays on your computer using your computer memory and screen and CPU is your space, not the website's. So what Banksy says is even more true. To use your analogy, your computer is your planet . If websites don't like that their ads can't get past your customs officers, that's their problem.

But I'm voluntarily visiting the place! Of course I'm using my resources doing that.

What's next: let the cooking magazine pay your electricity bill, because you decided to try out their recipe? Let the cinema pay for your glasses?

If your memory, screen or CPU is precious, don't visit that site. You know the deal and you have a free will. Use it.

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