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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

#161

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They're certainly not treating Brendan Eich equally. Discrimination on the basis of political stance is bigotry, too. Their position is extremely hypocritical, and by defending it, you become complicit in their hypocrisy.

How are they not treating Brendan Eich equally? He's the bigot here who wants to deny them happiness, not the other way around.

They're discriminating against him on the basis of his political stance, trying to start up a witch hunt or mob against him, and trying to disenfranchise him of his employment.

They're bigots, pure and simple, and so is everyone who defends them.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

#162

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And I'm holding you accountable for trying to get him fired.

Oh gosh! Some anonymous coward is holding me accountable for something I'm not actually trying to do! I'm quivering.

You're responding to a guy who previously posted "How does being called a faggot hurt someone who is, in fact, a faggot?" [1].

Don't feed the troll.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6939266

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

#163
post #63

I don't know what it is about gay marriage that draws people in to this ridiculous witch hunt. I'm neutral on the issue because I feel it's complicated like every other polarizing topic, but to a lot of folks it's solid black-and-white, good-vs-evil. But the pro-gay-marriage crowd seems to go beyond that. To them, it's so black-and-white that one's not even allowed to hold the other view. These people don't even ackn…

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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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They are actively working to disenfranchise Brendan Eich of his employment. They are doing this on the basis of his political stance. This is bigotry. They are bigots. What's worse, they're hypocritical bigots, because they're trying to pass this off as some sort of anti-bigotry stance. All social justice is like this. It breaks down under the merest of scrutinty.

> They are doing this on the basis of his political stance. They are doing this because he directly funded initiatives that withhold equal rights from them and treat them as less than human. You can hold views, even as CEOs, I don't agree with. Hell, you could donate to the anti-funds of almost anything I believe, as long as it is an equal battlefield. But civil rights aren't about ideology, they are literally whethe…

Everybody has justifications for their bigotry. Talk to a KKK wizard sometime. I'm sure he has a compelling backstory, too. Doesn't change the fact that it's still bigotry.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

#165
post #50

This is definitely one of those moral fashions [1] that Paul Graham wrote about: "What scares me is that there are moral fashions too. They're just as arbitrary, and just as invisible to most people. But they're much more dangerous. Fashion is mistaken for good design; moral fashion is mistaken for good. Dressing oddly gets you laughed at. Violating moral fashions can get you fired, ostracized, imprisoned, or even ki…

"Society has shifted on this issue, such that the traditional is considered unacceptable to hold; you're ostracized with negative labels should you hold the unfashionable position..." Couldn't you say the same thing about civil rights? Slavery? Colonization? At some point these ideas were considered 'OK' by society and then at some point they were considered 'Not OK'. Are these simply 'fashions' to you? I think PG's…

Yes, they are fashions. Some of them may be good, some may be bad, but they are fashions. It is conceivable that if we find a planet with alien life, there will be calls for colonizaton, for instance. And it could be a good thing.

Let's play an intellectual game. Is it possible to imagine a sensible reason for Eich to hold the view he and others hold? If you are unable to imagine such a reason, it is because you are misunderstanding that position.

The Principle of Charity [1] says you should assume your ideological opponents' beliefs must make sense from their perspective. If you can’t even conceive of a position you oppose being tempting to someone, you don’t understand it and are probably missing something. You might be missing a strong argument that the position is correct. Or you might just be missing something totally out of left field.

I propose most people in this thread -- and indeed in the San Francisco-based startup culture -- do not understand the position Eich holds. And it does not hold to the Principle of Charity, choosing instead to ostracize and boycott and demonize with ugly labels.

Perhaps a fair way to approach this debate would be, "Assuming Eich does not hate gay people, why would he be opposed to redefining marriage?"

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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post #63

I don't know what it is about gay marriage that draws people in to this ridiculous witch hunt. I'm neutral on the issue because I feel it's complicated like every other polarizing topic, but to a lot of folks it's solid black-and-white, good-vs-evil. But the pro-gay-marriage crowd seems to go beyond that. To them, it's so black-and-white that one's not even allowed to hold the other view. These people don't even ackn…

Why would anyone "acknowledge the legitimacy" of beliefs that would e.g. prevent them from visiting their spouse on their deathbed? There's no middle ground here. Also, it's worth trying not to use the term "witch hunt" to describe attacks on a group which has held an oppressive majority for hundreds of years and which is actively continuing to attempt to deny the rights of a minority. The analogy does not hold.

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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

#167

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Oh gosh! Some anonymous coward is holding me accountable for something I'm not actually trying to do! I'm quivering.

You're responding to a guy who previously posted "How does being called a faggot hurt someone who is, in fact, a faggot?" [1]. Don't feed the troll. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6939266

Ah, missed that one. Thanks for the prompt; I should have recognized the trollishness earlier.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

#168
post #6

I understand your posture and I totally support gay marriage, but you're mixing politics with work, and you're taking a personal issue to a professional level. It's Brendan Eich that supported the prop 8, not Mozilla. That's a very very very VERY unprofessional stance. From now on I will be very careful in buying/getting anything from your company because of huge lack of professionalism being shown here. This said, I…

This statement "However, this particular subject is not one that is negotiable to us. We are personally affected by his actions." should make people very skittish about using Team Rarebit's code or services in production, specially if they ever make something that your app infrastructure is dependent on (like payment systems or APIs). I understand that right now, it's some tiny app that doesn't affect too many people…

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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

#170

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And Mozilla chose Brendan Eich to represent them as CEO. There is a distinct difference between being an employee, and being the CEO.

No, there isn't. A CEO is an employee, just one that tends to get paid above average.

Hahahahahahahaha.

No.

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