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Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by nakedrobot2 » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 9:32 AM UTC

jccalhoun wrote: post #127

ignostic wrote: post #59

This case doesn't have anything to do with DRM as the title suggest. It's more clear in the article: "the java-bean equivalent of DRM". As far as I can tell it's actually just allegations of patent abuse and anti-competitive vertical integration. Keurig had a patent on the technology for both machine and pod. That patent expired in 2012, allowing third-party vendors to start making pods. Treehouse Foods argues (among…

It might end up just being a new shape but the CEO's wording implies that it will be closer to what is used in printer ink cartridges. Following the trail from the submitted article to the article it links to and to the article that one links to finally takes us to the transcript of the CEO's earnings call: http://seekingalpha.com/article/1853341-green-mountain-coffe... "While we're still not willing to discuss speci…

Game changing performance, allowing us to leverage further synchronicity, making a win-win for everybody involved.

I'll circle back to you next week on the details.....

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by lostlogin » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 9:41 AM UTC

jcampbell1 wrote: post #22

mikegioia wrote: post #4

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

20 mins a week roasting beans (10 mins a batch), and a morning ritual of espresso making and then drinking. Id have it no other way.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by lostlogin » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 9:45 AM UTC

lisper wrote: post #111

cortesoft wrote: post #107

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60 seconds to clean isn't nothing. Changing the keurig pods takes less than 3 seconds. It might make me lazy, but every second I am not cleaning my coffee device I can be doing something else.

This. Plus I have yet to see any non-pod-style coffee machine that can competently make one cup at a time.

what's the freshest you can have your coffee? If a could have my way (which frequently I can) I'd always have 1-2 day old beans. I'd take beans still warm from roasting over those older than 3-4.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by lostlogin » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 9:50 AM UTC

arg01 wrote: post #135

klochner wrote: post #33

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I've never heard this "pressure destroys the bean" theory. Are you claiming all espresso is burnt or chocolatey?

It's because it is also linked to temperature, the higher your pressure the higher your boiling point. It also effects how fast the fluid travels through the ground coffee which effects not just how strong it is but also can have an effect on the balance of what has diffused from the ground and various other characteristics. There's a lot that can go into making a good cup of coffee. New Zealand (where I'm from) has…

Yes! The one with the tattoos always makes the best coffee. If 2 have tattoos, the grumpy one does it better. Once you do your own espresso for a while it become a ritual such that extraction can be very consistent.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by rossjudson » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 10:34 AM UTC

ssharp wrote: post #84

jcampbell1 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

I have a Breville machine that allows you to pour in a heap of coffee beans, and it grinds and automatically fills the filter with your desired strength based on how much water you put in the machine. I believe they also make one that has a water reservoir that you periodically fill and you can just dial in a cup amount and it does everything else for you. I've been pretty happy with it since I get fresh ground coffe…

I have a de longhi machine. It's our favourite appliance. Pays for itself easily.

http://www.delonghi.com/en-US/products/coffee-and-espresso/c...

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by anon4 » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 10:36 AM UTC

angersock wrote: post #147

M2Ys4U wrote: post #145

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I bet it doesn't even comply with RFC 2324 either. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324

You know, if someone actually built one of those, I'd probably have to convince our CFO to buy it.

It's actually trivial, just make a teapot that responds to every request with 418 - I'm a teapot.

It won't make coffee, but it will comply with RFC 2324

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by kefka » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 10:57 AM UTC

ghayes wrote: post #146

shasta wrote: post #140

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The patent was required to be sufficiently detailed to allow producing compatible cups? I don't think so.

Isn't that the point of a patent?

Well, yeah.

However it has also been the game with patents to use as obtuse and as confusing and as little detail to get the patent while making sure people can't reproduce it.

So yeah, we get the worst of both worlds: money extraction of exclusivity and lack of understanding that patents were supposed to solve.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by TeMPOraL » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 11:04 AM UTC

angersock wrote: post #147

M2Ys4U wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet it doesn't even comply with RFC 2324 either. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324

You know, if someone actually built one of those, I'd probably have to convince our CFO to buy it.

Buy an Arduino Ethernet and make it respond with HTTP/1.1 418 for every request ;).

Or get it to local Hackerspace, they might make it actually work ;).

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by shiven » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 11:15 AM UTC

cortesoft wrote: post #107

ssharp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Breville machine that allows you to pour in a heap of coffee beans, and it grinds and automatically fills the filter with your desired strength based on how much water you put in the machine. I believe they also make one that has a water reservoir that you periodically fill and you can just dial in a cup amount and it does everything else for you. I've been pretty happy with it since I get fresh ground coffe…

60 seconds to clean isn't nothing. Changing the keurig pods takes less than 3 seconds. It might make me lazy, but every second I am not cleaning my coffee device I can be doing something else.

... but every second I am not cleaning my coffee device I can be doing something else.

Like, picking your nose?

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by vostrocity » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 12:13 PM UTC

jcampbell1 wrote: post #22

mikegioia wrote: post #4

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

Interesting that you view it that way. I also compare my convenience to time, and every time I use a plastic container I think about how it came from peat that was built up over millions of years and took a certain amount of energy and fuel to travel across oceans to reach me in final product form and now I will handle it for approximately 15 seconds and it will proceed to the landfill where it will stay for a few hundred years and outlive my children's children.