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Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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Re: Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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H4H was virtually packed when I volunteered. They had a waiting list for every college and university in the area. Apparently all those frats and sororities need a certain number of volunteer hours. Summertime, when building projects are usually in full swing, they didn't have nearly enough volunteers as the students typically were home or interning.

It's not volunteer work if the school, fraternity or sorority requires it of you. It's not voluntary if it's a requirement to get into the school/frat. It's more like free forced labor that most of the time is not even needed by the non-profit but hey the kids need certain hours so let's make the move garbage from one trash can to the other all day and if they finish early make them move it back.

All these organisations clearly spell out what they expect from you when you sign up. Community service is a major component for a lot of them.

> It's more like free forced labor that most of the time is not even needed by the non-profit

H4H: You sign up, you show up, you learn a few things. Labour is still the biggest part of construction so your contribution is noted and essential.

Re: Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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Voluntary work is not amateur work

I can't stress this enough, if you want to earn money you find something you are good at and society thinks is worth something. If you want to help someone you find something you are good at and people need. Maximize your impact by specializing in what you are good at and outsourcing that in which you are not.

Re: Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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I'm not sure I'm morally okay with economies driven primarily by tourism. Nothing I can back up with reasoning or data, but whenever I think about it, I get the same gut reaction I do when I see a code smell.

Well, if the theories that some very poor economies just require a "push start" to get out of the poverty trap are right, then maybe tourism can do the job.

Whilst cruising the Caribbean, I noticed that local economies may have been severely harmed by tourism. Dependent on highly concentrated tourist areas, the "push start" amounts more to a "push over": cash flow is so concentrated it can't get thru most of the local economy, like trying to satiate the thirsty with a firehose.

Re: Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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I'm not sure I'm morally okay with economies driven primarily by tourism. Nothing I can back up with reasoning or data, but whenever I think about it, I get the same gut reaction I do when I see a code smell.

I have the same feeling of unease, but what about when the alternative is poverty, which I think is often the case?

Yeah, I'm not exactly going to Take A Stand against it or anything. I understand that The World Is Not Perfect and Someone Has To Do The Dirty Jobs and all of that. But I'm very uncomfortable with seeing a tourism economy promoted or justified.

Policy band-aids aren't inherently bad. But if it's still the same band-aid a hundred years later... that's not the "push start" icebraining is talking about. (And we're not a hundred years later yet, so I'm not saying there's definitely a problem or anything.)

Re: Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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I think the fear is the mixture. So you take impressionable youth and force them under legal obligation to spend more time with elders of their socioeconomic group who selected a life of crime often than time spent with their own parents. What could possibly go wrong? Optimistically they'll be scared straight, but ...

It's not like they're sending people sentenced to 40 years hard labor for robbing a bank to community service at the recycling center. They're probably mixing with people who got first-offense drunk driving or disturbing the peace charges.

Or GHASP having plant material in their possession!

Re: Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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I'm not sure I'm morally okay with economies driven primarily by tourism. Nothing I can back up with reasoning or data, but whenever I think about it, I get the same gut reaction I do when I see a code smell.

> I'm not sure I'm morally okay with economies driven primarily by tourism. // Is that just in places where the tourists are far richer than the indigenous population or is that as a general rule?

That is a large part of it, but it's not all of it. While it's a legitimate service to provide food and lodging to travelers–even if those travelers happen to be there primarily to see your cultural offerings–it bothers me that there are services directed towards showing them off pseudo-educationally.

It's... you learn enough to think you've learned something, when all you've really learned is a superficial, well-packaged veneer. If the point is to have something to do while being on vacation, that's fine... but why pretend? It doesn't really help that things are often designed to be entertainment. Is it really a good thing to put your culture on as a show? Sure, there's satire, but satire isn't satire when the audience doesn't actually know what you're satirizing.

(Also, isn't the income differential a fundamental part of a tourism economy? I mean, in Seattle's Pioneer Square, we've got random little gold mining shops and see-the-underground tours, which I'm also uneasy with... but that's not a tourism economy. I'd estimate a good 50% of people who work in this neighborhood are in tech; others are nightclub stuff; and a noted above-average complement of food people; etc. There's a tourism industry here, yes, but it's not a tourism economy.)

Like I said, it's more feeling than reasoning.

Re: Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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> I'm not sure I'm morally okay with economies driven primarily by tourism. // Is that just in places where the tourists are far richer than the indigenous population or is that as a general rule?

That is a large part of it, but it's not all of it. While it's a legitimate service to provide food and lodging to travelers–even if those travelers happen to be there primarily to see your cultural offerings–it bothers me that there are services directed towards showing them off pseudo-educationally. It's... you learn enough to think you've learned something, when all you've really learned is a superficial, well-pac…

Thanks for expanded on your feelings.

Re: Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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> western business culture was potentially an improvement over existing conditions // Western business culture is primarily "profit is the end that justifies the means" - exploit any person, resource or environment to their|it's detriment as longer as you make more profit for the owners/shareholders. Many times I've seen on HN "the purpose of a business is to make profit; stat". Equality, helping those in poverty, cu…

>>> Western business culture is primarily "profit is the end that justifies the means" This is certainly not true as otherwise there weren't as many charitable funds sponsored by businesses and as many publicly useful things done by those. >>> exploit any person, resource or environment to their|it's detriment That is not true either, moreover - this is not true even if we accept your previous premise. There's nothin…

>you've just called the whole set of Western people inherently immoral. Not only this smacks of racism //

Westerners are descended from all races and creeds, they just happen to be part of a certain geo-political and financial region now.

There is a minute proportion of the population of the "Western World" that has any control over the business process beyond that they're able to leverage by voting with their dollars, through their unions or when voting.

>but there is a tiny sliver of them - those that enact and enforce the "legal protection" //

On the contrary, the established culture - moulded most recently through democratic process - has created an environment that limits the extremes that remain profitable. Most major companies in my Western country will [seemingly have] flout[ed] the law if the fines are sufficiently low; they're limited largely by what is going to be considered reprehensible enough to prevent people buying their goods/services. Directors receive multi-million dollar remuneration packages whilst they employ children and women at extremely low wages and often in situations in which they're effectively captive - we're talking companies like Adidas¹, Unilever, Nestle, those with the most recognised brands.

Many of the members of the controlling sections of Western government demonstrate at times a, shall we say, fluid approach to morality too. They often seem almost equally willing to lie and cheat and exploit the good of others to their own ends without due regard for the effect on the populous or environment.

tl;dr Power is oft to corrupt.

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1 -- example, http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/ethicalcompanyratings/adidase..., Adidas's employment practices are illegal in Bangladesh imagine how out of sync with the moral mores of USA they are.

Re: Why I stopped being a voluntourist

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Yeah, seriously, go to a local food pantry, they'll be glad for the help

Suggestion: Panera Bread gives away (to charity) all the bread they have at the end of each day (their "Dough-Nation" program). Find a food pantry, find out when they're open, tell a Panera store you want to take their leftovers there. Both groups will appreciate you for it, especially if you're reliable: Panera doesn't want to throw hundreds of $$$ of good food away, and the pantry can probably use as much as they c…

A lot of place literally just need to man-power to lift boxes around and help distribute food to clients.
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