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Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Post by icantthinkofone »

dionidium wrote: post #151
joshAg wrote: post #110

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just to throw some figures at you about how big st. louis is or isn't: > As of the 2010 census, the population was 319,294, and a 2012 estimate put the population at 318,172,[6] making it the 58th-largest U.S. city in 2012. The metropolitan St. Louis area, known as Greater St. Louis (CSA), is the 19th-largest metropolitan area in the United States with a population of 2,900,605. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis

And I'll be the annoying St. Louisan who feels compelled to put these numbers into some context for what feels like the billionth time. St. Louis City is entirely independent from the surrounding St. Louis County and covers an exceptionally small area by the standards of most big cities (~66 sq/mi). Some similar cities have addressed this by merging with their surrounding county (Indianapolis, for example, which is a…

This is true and correct. Much talk has been brewing (again) about the merging of St. Louis city with the county and one of the reasons given is to alleviate this constant confusion by outsiders.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Post by heydenberk »

pkinsky wrote: post #41
timr wrote: post #18

The current San Francisco influx is unsustainable. If you're somewhere else in the world and thinking about coming here to do a startup, I wish I could convince you to change your mind. San Francisco is incredibly expensive. Rents have shot up by ~50% since 2008, office space is following the same trend, and competition for (even mediocre) programmers is intense. Worse, a lot of the cultural diversity that made San F…

>Which brings us to a very important point for all the young programmer dudes: when you all crowd into the same tiny city and bid up the rents into the stratosphere, your available dating pool shrinks to a puddle (yet another consequence of the skewed gender balance in tech. sigh.) All the pour-over coffee in the world doesn't make you happy when you can't get a date, and those artisan cocktails are far less cute whe…

The high cost of living in San Francisco means that any demographic group that isn't defined by its high income is being marginalized, so this isn't the case.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Post by icantthinkofone »

doorhammer wrote: post #81
clavalle wrote: post #24

I love St. Louis. Certain parts have a European feel that no other city outside of Canada has. There are a lot of extremely bright, hard working people there too. It is odd. It is a city that seems to not know how much untapped talent it has. That being said, there are parts that are rundown and sketchy. There are huge problems with drugs like methamphetamine outside of the 'normal' urban drug issues that most cities…

There are definitely some bad parts of st. louis, but I have to say, the one main rule: stay out of east st. louis. It's pretty bad news. Luckily, if you're in the missouri section of saint louis, you'd have to stumble pretty badly to accidentally cross the Mississippi and end up there.

To be clear, East St. Louis is not part of St. Louis and isn't even in the same state.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Post by icantthinkofone »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #6

Right now it is noon in St. Louis and 19 degrees. Right now it is 10:00 in SF and 53 degrees. I think weather plays a large part in why people like to live in the Bay Area. Many refer to the high cost of living here as the "sun tax." As I sit in my office wearing shorts and a t-shirt, I can't even fathom living in St. Louis.

So, when it's early evening and cold in SF but warm and sunny in St. Louis, you'll reconsider in one night?

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Post by a3n »

walshemj wrote: post #145
debt wrote: post #64

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While I agree that race should have nothing to do with it, culturally it's much more acceptable to talk about white gentrification then gentrification by any other race. Also, in this case I'm not interesting removing the white designator because it really is predominantly white males. Also the gentrification happening in the Mission is very much a race thing. "Keep the Mission brown" is a slogan used by many in this…

Then how come all the pics I have seen of the buss/gentrification >90% protesters have been young whites?

Probably because they are predominately young whites, but always remember that the picture you see is the photographer's choice (by taking it or not) and the editor's choice by running the one he did and not the ones he didn't.

Every picture tells a story, but not necessarily the only one.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Post by shiven »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #102
[deleted] wrote: post #63

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Detroit isn't like that because all the black people moved in, it's like that because all the white people moved out once black people started moving in.

Then why don't non-white people move in to SF, just like in Detroit?

Alright, enough with the wisecracks.

The people moving in during gentrification are rich or rather richer than the current residents. Just because the overwhelming majority happen to be white is a mere coincidence arising of multiple factors. These people are not really white/black/brown, their only true color is Green, like the dollar bills in their banks and pockets. The color of their skin is secondary.

With all the song and dance about loss of diversity, in any city or context, I see it as a green-ification, not a white-wash or any other racially motivated term. This is a class issue that is always conflated as a race issue, with the the same lame excuse: because, history.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Post by davidw »

auctiontheory wrote: post #139
pkinsky wrote: post #41

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>Which brings us to a very important point for all the young programmer dudes: when you all crowd into the same tiny city and bid up the rents into the stratosphere, your available dating pool shrinks to a puddle (yet another consequence of the skewed gender balance in tech. sigh.) All the pour-over coffee in the world doesn't make you happy when you can't get a date, and those artisan cocktails are far less cute whe…

This is totally wrong. Yes SF has a ridiculous cost of living, but it still has an amazing ratio of single women to straight guys. Unlike the Peninsula, you do not need to be rich to meet and date attractive women in the City. If you are an employed (white?) guy who can't get a date in SF (not to be confused with Palo Alto), you need to get out more, or just get on okC. There's a whole lot more to the City than yuppi…

Like anywhere, it can help to stand out a bit, and being a straight white guy without tons of money who works with computers is about as far from 'standing out' as you can get in that area, from my experience. I was a lot happier from that point of view when I got out of there and moved to Italy, where I ended up meeting and marrying a very smart and beautiful woman.

On the subject of "gay", something that I liked about the bay area was that gay is pretty common, and of course accepted and so it's just something that is, rather than someone's "defining attribute", so it's not this big deal. That's how things should be.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Post by stephencanon »

auctiontheory wrote: post #139
pkinsky wrote: post #41

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>Which brings us to a very important point for all the young programmer dudes: when you all crowd into the same tiny city and bid up the rents into the stratosphere, your available dating pool shrinks to a puddle (yet another consequence of the skewed gender balance in tech. sigh.) All the pour-over coffee in the world doesn't make you happy when you can't get a date, and those artisan cocktails are far less cute whe…

This is totally wrong. Yes SF has a ridiculous cost of living, but it still has an amazing ratio of single women to straight guys. Unlike the Peninsula, you do not need to be rich to meet and date attractive women in the City. If you are an employed (white?) guy who can't get a date in SF (not to be confused with Palo Alto), you need to get out more, or just get on okC. There's a whole lot more to the City than yuppi…

You have clearly never been to NYC or LA. One can get a absolutely get a date in SF, but the ratio is terrible compared to other US cities.

A single friend of mine in SF (who actually does quite well for himself) is fond of saying "any single man who moves to SF either is gay, has an asian fetish, or is crazy." It's crass and hyperbolic, but there's an germ of truth in there somewhere (FWIW, he's crazy).

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Post by colanderman »

mjn wrote: post #31
carsongross wrote: post #14

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Yeah, man. I'd move in a heartbeat if it weren't for family in the area.

Having grown up in the midwest, one of the main things keeping me from moving back (besides particularities of jobs/etc.) is the weather. Really really cold winters, hot & humid summers. Nice springs and autumns, though, if I could arrange to be somewhere else Dec-Feb and June-Aug. I'd pay a premium to live somewhere with a longer "nice to be outdoors" season, though how much of a premium is a good question. I actual…

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