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Re: Thirty Years of Mac [video]

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> 25 men. 3 women. 2 machines. Not that it's significantly better, but there are 5 women, not 3: April Greiman, Jane Metcalfe, Noemi Trainor, Es Devlin, and Dr. Pardis Sabeti. However, they did choose Rosetto instead of Metcalfe for 1997's main photo, so there's a case to be made for 4 (though Metcalfe is in the photos when you scroll down).

I counted 3 times. Men are bad at math. :) Or recognizing faces.

All the people OP mentioned are there, all 5.

Re: Thirty Years of Mac [video]

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Stop being so elitist. How much money do you need to be creative? Enough to buy a musical instrument? To purchase paint and canvas? To fossick for trash to weld together? Purchase pen and paper and write a beautiful letter or short story? To grab a stick and draw in the dirt? Macs are quality bits of kit and the prime tool for making digital art, but they didn't democratise creativity, neither were they truly worldwi…

> Stop being so elitist. How much money do you need to be creative? Enough to buy a musical instrument? To purchase paint and canvas? That's not a relevant question. It depends on what you want to do. If you want to play acoustic guitar on the streets, sure, you don't need much. That doesn't meant that everybody wanted to be creative in that way. Some people (milions) wanted to make records like the Beatles or Kraftw…

Your rebuttals are making no sense at all. My criticism was of the copy in a puff piece on the Mac, in the context of the video provided. My original comment makes this clear it's about Macs when it talks of the targetting of the education and media markets in the western world. The Unices and Windows happily moved into non-western markets, and certainly targeted things other than education and media, such as business and gaming markets.

Your rebuttals on the other hand, seem to have retreated into a defence of personal computers in general. I didn't make a comment on that. I said that the -Mac- is not a -truly- -worldwide- -democratisation- when it came to enabling creativity. Those were the words used in the video, in the context of what the video was talking about.

Re: Thirty Years of Mac [video]

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I think you missed the point. 30 years from today (January 24th, 1984) is celebrating the release of the original Macintosh, which was the first modern personal computer. Of course there have been "bad Apples" along the way — the Apple computer line sucked during much of the 90's, as you pointed out. But the simple fact is that Apple's original Macintosh was the definitive introduction of modern personal computing to…

The Amiga might have something to say to you about modern personal computing. Well, I should clarify. The Amiga was -demo'ed- in 1983 but not released until 1985.

And that was after the Apple Lisa, which was released in early January of 1983.

Re: Thirty Years of Mac [video]

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It certainly comes off better if you frame it in that way. It's probably my bias which lead me to read too far into some of the quotes used about the Mac bringing new capabilities that didn't exist for the consumer previously. The 1984 machine is/was an amazing thing, but the 90's and even the early 00's Macs were anything but.

You really don't think that the iMac was a crazy influential product? Even by computer nerd standards that we have, a 1024x768 display and USB-only ports were a very bold move that changed a lot. Not to mention the design of the damned thing and it's focus as a PC dedicated to the Internet in terms of a consumer product.

Let's not forget the moral outrage at the perceived omission of a floppy drive.

Re: Thirty Years of Mac [video]

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> switch to Intel changed that The turnaround started with Mac OS X, in 2001. That's what really started turning heads. The intel macs five years later helped, but it really was the wow factor of having a great Mac- or Mac-like (considering Aqua was the most radical departure Apple had made from the System 6/7/8/9 UI lineage up until that point) interface on top of real Unix, with all of its tools. It put to bed all…

Early releases of Mac OSX were pretty bad. Pretty, but pretty bad too. (Too many uses of the word "pretty"?)

Yup, but it was worth it to escape the various errors that could take down the OS at a moments notice depending on the software you were running. Not loosing my unsaved/unauto-saved Word documents because of an iTunes or IE crash was huge.

Re: Thirty Years of Mac [video]

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Linux: I think because it's less of a 'concrete' thing (e.g. so many distros, very steady 'word of mouth' growth rather than a big launch) Windows: People just don't have the same affection for Windows: it tends to be something that's used, grudgingly, often for work, rather than something that people are genuinely pleased by. I'm sure people will disagree, of course, that's just a big generalisation. Also, since Win…

Mac users are annoyingly vocal.

No more than any other group. That's just your cognitive bias showing.

Re: Thirty Years of Mac [video]

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If you're interesting but perhaps never got the chance to use the original 1984 Mac OS, then you might want to check out this in-browser emulator port I put together: http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/ In some ways it's quite remarkable how little has changed.

That version seems to be from 1991, when I first starting using Macs in school. Don't supposed you could put Think Pascal on it? :)
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