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Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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Re: Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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What I find most intriguing about this is the how a law that was enforced only 50 years ago has so quickly become abhorrent to the majority of the population. It's an interesting thought experiment to consider which laws we routinely use today to punish people will become morally unacceptable in the next 50 years. Copyright and patent laws, and laws used against Snowden's whistle blowing are some obvious ones that ar…

> It's an interesting thought experiment to consider which laws we routinely use today to punish people will become morally unacceptable in the next 50 years.

It's also an interesting thought experiment to consider whether beliefs we deeply and routinely hold today will become as morally unacceptable as the belief that homosexuality is wrong, unnatural and ought to be punished.

For example, what if it becomes wrong to believe in meritocracy? If in fifty years, everyone from scientists to politicians to the media blasts the message that it's wrong and hurtful to heap prestige, financial rewards, etc. on brilliant hackers and successful entrepreneurs?

Presumably many HN'ers strongly believe in meritocracy and point out historical examples of stagnation in non-meritocratic societies, mathematical/economic arguments why meritocracy is good, etc.

What if anyone who sincerely believes in meritocracy, and makes these kinds of logical and data-backed arguments in favor of meritocracy, is met the same way that today anyone is met who argues against the liberalization of our treatment of homosexuality?

Please, treat people who honestly believe that homosexuality is wrong the way you would want believers in meritocracy to be treated in the hypothetical world I've laid out. First, because you want a civilized precedent for dealing with distasteful beliefs, to reduce the downside if your own beliefs will one day be regarded as distasteful. Second, it simply makes the pro-gay argument look weak if the best way you can deal with opponents is call them names like "bigot," or threaten to blacklist them and destroy their livelihood.

Another fun thought experiment: s/bigot/heretic/

Re: Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turing often seems to get most of the credit for ending the war early (probably due to the injustice he suffered), but we shouldn't forget others suffered in different ways. Tommy Flowers ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Flowers ), who arguably created the first electronic computer to decrypt the Lorenz cypher was just as important and his work was not acknowledged until the 1970s. Flowers wanted to create a comp…

Let's not forget the millions of Russians who died on the eastern front. Without them, nothing at Bletchley Park wouldn't have mattered much for ending the war.

Indeed (or the US rescuing the UK)

Re: Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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75,000 men were convicted under the same law, of whom 26,000 are still alive. [1] Only Turing has been "pardoned". My understanding [2] is that the "pardon" implies there was nothing wrong with the law as such, just that Turing is forgiven for having broken it. So while I guess this is better than nothing, I don't know if it's really the way to go about it. [1] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldhans…

The House (and I) agree with you. I believe the hope is that this pardon of a well-known & loved figure in the UK will raise awareness in order to force the government to nullify all convictions resulting from this law. Sixteen thousand of those men are still alive ... they can all now apply to have their convictions disregarded. I tried to amend it to extend this disregard posthumously to the 49,000 men similarly co…

All good; but curious: in Britain when cases are found to be tainted by prejudice, it isn't routine to throw them all out? Instead they are preserved in case the 'offender' had done something else too? Like maybe robbed a bank or cheated on taxes I guess (sarcasm).
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